2020 US Election (Part One)

[Sommerswerd]

Biden's in.

He announces with a very eloquent denouncement of Trumpism, which gives me pause. This was Hillary's strategy: tell everyone what a jackass Trump is. Everyone already know this.

This is feeling like Bush v. Kerry all over again

 

[El_Machinae]

A majority of people want to keep the statues. Are they all neo-Nazis? Can 'fine people' show up to protest the removal of a statue? Yes, neo-Nazis showed up too and they got together at night to walk around shouting slogans with tiki torches and we were treated to those constant images in conjunction with Trump's words. He wasn't talking about them, he said there were fine people on both sides of the statue protest the day a brawl ensued. Now, why is it whenever looters and rioters show up at a protest of left wingers the same media tells us the protesters are not bad too because of a guilt by association?

You really do have to wonder why people with swastikas felt welcome at those marches. Like, people who wave Confederate flags will be proud of the American history against swastikas. But 70 years later the swastika felt welcome.

 

[cardgame]

Tulsi is cancelled

Spoiler obnoxiously large image :

Can anyone convince me Bernie/Warren is not the way to go? In either order on the ticket, actually.

 

[Takhisis]

They were there to disagree with removing a statue, how they felt about neo-Nazis wasn't investigated by the media but I doubt they're fans or some would have shown up for their tiki torch parade. Why does it matter?

See the post above yours.

Can anyone convince me Bernie/Warren is not the way to go?

Bernie+Warren?

 

[Berzerker]

You really do have to wonder why people with swastikas felt welcome at those marches. Like, people who wave Confederate flags will be proud of the American history against swastikas. But 70 years later the swastika felt welcome.

Politics makes strange bedfellows, so do riots. But many of the 'southern pride' people fought in WWII or had kin who did, seems unfair to assume they welcome swastikas. If you showed up with your rebel flag to protest the removal of a RE Lee statue and neo-Nazis showed up with swastikas are you required to leave your cause behind or 'welcome' them? If a fight breaks and you're attacked by other people and neo-Nazis attack them, are you welcoming their ideology or just their help? Yes, people waving rebel flags found common cause with neo-Nazis over a statue - so did the majority who opposed removing it.

Trump said there were fine people on both sides of a protest. That was turned into video of a neo-Nazi tiki torch parade at night. Therefore people protesting the removal of the statue are neo-Nazis, thank you fake news.

 

[Farm Boy]

They didn't just "show up." White supremacists organized the protest, bringing in neo-Nazis neo-facists, Klansmen, etc. to "unite the right." The government of Charlotte voted to remove the statue; the majority of Americans wanted the statue removed.

https://hyperallergic.com/397792/polls-americans-confederate-statues-removal/

One doesn't need to be the biggest turd on the block to be a diarrhea stain themselves. The bed still remains *$&% upon.

You really do have to wonder

I really don't have to believe you.

Much better publicity for the followup in DC with people better understanding the nature of the event.

 

[cardgame]

Politics makes strange bedfellows, so do riots. But many of the 'southern pride' people fought in WWII or had kin who did, seems unfair to assume they welcome swastikas. If you showed up with your rebel flag to protest the removal of a RE Lee statue and neo-Nazis showed up with swastikas are you required to leave your cause behind or 'welcome' them? If a fight breaks and you're attacked by other people and neo-Nazis attack them, are you welcoming their ideology or just their help? Yes, people waving rebel flags found common cause with neo-Nazis over a statue - so did the majority who opposed removing it.

Trump said there were fine people on both sides of a protest. That was turned into video of a neo-Nazi tiki torch parade at night. Therefore people protesting the removal of the statue are neo-Nazis, thank you fake news.

Why did the President of the United States give a speech on an insignificant local issue like a small protest over a municipality's decision to enact a beautification project?

Was it maybe ... because of the murder? And the Nazis? hmmm...

 

[Berzerker]

Why did the President of the United States give a speech on an insignificant local issue like a small protest over a municipality's decision to enact a beautification project?

Was it maybe ... because of the murder? And the Nazis? hmmm...

He didn't give a speech, media asked him about it for partisan political reasons. And they would have been asking him with or without a murder.

 

[cardgame]

Media asked him about it, but why did he know about it? It was just a local protest over some statues, right? Nothing noteworthy or important, so why would he know the scoop?

 

[Truthy]

A majority of people want to keep the statues. Are they all neo-Nazis? Can 'fine people' show up to protest the removal of a statue? Yes, neo-Nazis showed up too and they got together at night to walk around shouting slogans with tiki torches and we were treated to those constant images in conjunction with Trump's words. He wasn't talking about them, he said there were fine people on both sides of the statue protest the day a brawl ensued. Now, why is it whenever looters and rioters show up at a protest of left wingers the same media tells us the protesters are not bad too because of a guilt by association?

Just so you know, the August 11th nighttime march was organized by Kessler and Spencer, the organizers of the August 12th event. It wasn't that the previous night's neo-Nazis just happened to show up "too." Those people were the organizers of Unite the Right and several hundred of the Unite the Right's attendees the following day. Juxtaposing those images with Trump's words seems pretty fair to me. And mind you, juxtaposing Trump's words with images from the following day doesn't look any better! Your best bet might be to argue Trump was actually talking about the 11th march, which he interpreted as a misunderstood luau. Also, though you didn't explicitly say they did, "left-wingers" did not engage in any kind of looting whatsoever on either date. Maybe they were just distracted by the hundreds of neo-Nazis/neo-Confederates/white supremacists and the bizarre way the police managed the situation.

 

[onejayhawk]

If neo-Nazis show up at a protest to support you, you should probably rethink what you are protesting.
Just a general principle to live by.

What if they show up to harrass your opponent?

Does antifa count as neo-nazi?

J

 

[Tristan_C]

What if they show up to harrass your opponent?

Does antifa count as neo-nazi?

J

Antifa doesn't appear to exist in the storyline. Tim claims "the left" does not exist. Truthy in the post above yours uses "left-wingers" in quotes as if the characterization of the people brawling in the streets with the right-wingers is ludicrous. They can't be named. All attention is drawn to the violent far-right guys and the names of their organizations, and away from the non-specific, unnameable haze of nothingness that attacked them at their little rally. According to them, a fist fight can be a single player exercise.

I'm sure that if I weighed in with some partisan invective that the far right wasn't there or didn't exist, I would be called stupid, blind, deceptive, etc. Because it's false. This is exactly how they sound. False.

And it's how the media sounds when Trump (presumably in an effort to lower the temperature) said he was "sure there were good people on both sides," and the media accuses him of being a Nazi sympathizer. This is an example of the media splicing a simple, complete thought to transform it into an entirely different idea; i.e., lying.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Tim claims "the left" does not exist.

Actually my claim is that when right wing dingbats start spewing about "the left" they can be ignored, since they consider anyone left of them to be leftists, and since that is pretty much everyone but them it is just a stupid term meant as an "I hate the world" identifier rather than having any actual meaning. Just part of the despicable nature of right wing fascist extremists.

What if they show up to harrass your opponent?

J

If the people showing up to oppose your opponent are neo-Nazis you should probably examine your own reasons for calling them "your opponent." It's like when Trump says "I don't support the KKK, they just support me because I best represent their views."

 

[Berzerker]

Media asked him about it, but why did he know about it? It was just a local protest over some statues, right? Nothing noteworthy or important, so why would he know the scoop?

it was all over the media

Just so you know, the August 11th nighttime march was organized by Kessler and Spencer, the organizers of the August 12th event. It wasn't that the previous night's neo-Nazis just happened to show up "too." Those people were the organizers of Unite the Right and several hundred of the Unite the Right's attendees the following day. Juxtaposing those images with Trump's words seems pretty fair to me. And mind you, juxtaposing Trump's words with images from the following day doesn't look any better! Your best bet might be to argue Trump was actually talking about the 11th march, which he interpreted as a misunderstood luau. Also, though you didn't explicitly say they did, "left-wingers" did not engage in any kind of looting whatsoever on either date. Maybe they were just distracted by the hundreds of neo-Nazis/neo-Confederates/white supremacists and the bizarre way the police managed the situation.

The neo-Nazis marching around at night was a subset of the people who showed up for the day time protest. Now which of those events - the tiki torch march the preceding night or the day time protest turned violent - was Trump asked about? The latter. But the media instead shows images of neo-Nazis with tiki torches shouting about Jews and then accuse Trump of calling neo-Nazis fine people.

The media called neo-Nazis fine people, not Trump. And the media is calling everyone who did show up to support the Lee statue and all the people who were there promoting other causes like gun rights and militia people of being neo-Nazis. Is that fair? If Trump was calling neo-Nazis fine people, who were the fine people on the other side? Hell, the media is calling them neo-Nazis too.

Is it fair when Fox News and right wing blogs et al smear left wing protesters by blaming them for rioters and looters who show up at their protests? Left wing politicians go on TV to tell us it isn't fair to blame protesters when violence erupts. This notion Trump with an orthodox Jewish son-in-law thinks neo-Nazis are fine people defies logic.

 

[Farm Boy]

If the people showing up to oppose your opponent are neo-Nazis you should probably examine your own reasons for calling them "your opponent." It's like when Trump says "I don't support the KKK, they just support me because I best represent their views."

Sometimes the opponent of my opponent is still a diseased human fecal smear. It's not like pieces of *@#& are more likely to have less opponents due their fine qualities. Tons of free media coverage for the followup white supremacist rally in D.C. Lots and lots of opportunity to throw in and welcome them. What was it, 17 or 27 people? I forget which. The inconvenient example gets quickly forgotten by all relevant turdchompers for whom the turds really. are. the. goal.

 

[cardgame]

Does antifa count as neo-nazi?

Only if the sky is green

The media called neo-Nazis fine people, not Trump.

 

[Berzerker]

Can you quote Trump calling neo-Nazis fine people? No. Can you quote the media accusing Trump of calling neo-Nazis fine people? Yes. The media is calling neo-Nazis fine people.

 

[Tristan_C]

What was it, 17 or 27 people?

I had figured they were all federal agents. Since inter-departmental teamwork is patchy when it comes to sting operations, I was hoping that isolated teams of agents would trick each other into setting some federal buildings on fire. Maybe ones that aren't necessary, like Education or Energy.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I was listening to a political interview and the interviewee pointed out that the way the Republicans overplayed the socialism card during the Obama years took away a lot of the negative conotation of the word. If Obamacare is socialism then that word really has no meaning. Oh, and people have come to really like Obamacare so they're inadvertently creating a positive association with socialism by falsely labeling it as such.

 

[Broken_Erika]

I was hoping that isolated teams of agents would trick each other into setting some federal buildings on fire. Maybe ones that aren't necessary, like Education or Energy.

Or the White House and/or the Capitol Building. Not like either of them are doing any good right now.....