2020 US Election (Part One)

[Takhisis]

Has Elizabeth Warren endorsed anybody yet?

 

[Birdjaguar]

No. not yet.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Has Elizabeth Warren endorsed anybody yet?

No, but she did say this:

“I wanna say this for all of the candidates, back when there were lots of us, we are responsible for the people who claim to be our supporters and do really threatening, ugly, dangerous things.”

Further:

"When asked if this was a particular problem with Sanders supporters, Warren answered with an adamant yes."

She may endorse Sanders eventually, but if he doesn't build up some good reason for her to think that wouldn't be tying herself to the loser she may just not.

 

[Patine]

That was not directed at you, but was written specifically for another. You are a US citizen and will participate, or not, as you choose in November. You will suffer or not from the outcome of our election. Be a cheerleader, be a hater, be smart or be dumb. I don't care. You get a pass even if your contributions aren't really worthwhile.

This statement, in terms of the perceived "right" to express an opinion or criticism or tacit (if useless) endorsement of U.S. politicians because of who will "suffer or not from the outcome of our election," is highly arrogant, parochial, detached, and disingenuous. The whole damned world suffers or not from every U.S. Presidential Election, despite the suffrage being limited to U.S. Citizens. Your sense of proportion is sorely lacking.

 

[Birdjaguar]

This statement, in terms of the perceived "right" to express an opinion or criticism or tacit (if useless) endorsement of U.S. politicians because of who will "suffer or not from the outcome of our election," is highly arrogant, parochial, detached, and disingenuous. The whole damned world suffers or not from every U.S. Presidential Election, despite the suffrage being limited to U.S. Citizens. Your sense of proportion is sorely lacking.

Yeah, but unless you are the Russian or Israeli government, you don't get to participate in our elections. I have no objections to opinions that contribute to a discussion. I do not like posts that are merely divisive and hateful. We had too much of that in 2016. Am I arrogant? Sure. But I think less than you. The whole damn wold may suffer or benefit from our elections, but none of you have any actual rights to participate in them. Get over it. If you can make good arguments and actually discuss those arguments, that is just fine. You might actually influence our thinking like @Hrothbern does so well. You are good at presenting stuff but weak on actually discussing things. You do like broad sweeping conclusions without much actual evidence other than one or two long long sentences referencing history over the decades or centuries. That has been your style.

Canada may suffer from Trump, Biden, or Bernie; tell me who is the best for Canada and why. That's cool. Tell me we have to dismantle our current system to make you happy and I'll tell you get lost.

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

Biden has the meanest online supporters on Twitter, Bernie and Kamala are/were a very distant 2nd. Hoping we get some full coverage of the recent rape threats, racism, and vitriol from some Biden supporters and official surrogates even, and soon, but I'm guessing we won't. Shame!

 

[Zardnaar]

Biden has the meanest online supporters on Twitter, Bernie and Kamala are/were a very distant 2nd. Hoping we get some full coverage of the recent rape threats, racism, and vitriol from some Biden supporters and official surrogates even, and soon, but I'm guessing we won't. Shame!

People are just sick of Twitter.

My recommendation don't use it.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Biden has the meanest online supporters on Twitter, Bernie and Kamala are/were a very distant 2nd. Hoping we get some full coverage of the recent rape threats, racism, and vitriol from some Biden supporters and official surrogates even, and soon, but I'm guessing we won't. Shame!

Funny how given the direct opportunity to address that live in an interview Warren opted to use this example instead.

 

[Estebonrober]

No, but she did say this:

“I wanna say this for all of the candidates, back when there were lots of us, we are responsible for the people who claim to be our supporters and do really threatening, ugly, dangerous things.”

Further:

"When asked if this was a particular problem with Sanders supporters, Warren answered with an adamant yes."

She may endorse Sanders eventually, but if he doesn't build up some good reason for her to think that wouldn't be tying herself to the loser she may just not.

See I'm not okay with this and I'm a supporter of hers. He has denounced his troll at every opportunity. No one else is put through this nonsense about their supporters. No one.

 

[Estebonrober]

Funny how given the direct opportunity to address that live in an interview Warren opted to use this example instead.

Let me elaborate here, I was part of several Warren campaign groups and nothing out of her campaign directly attacked sander's supporters but her supporters on FB and twitter did. I'm not part of Sander's groups so I can;t speak to that, but a lot of this is "virtue signalling" as the conservative trolls call it.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

See I'm not okay with this and I'm a supporter of hers. He has denounced his troll at every opportunity. No one else is put through this nonsense about their supporters. No one.

Did her campaign operate in the "with us or against us" framework that Sanders fosters in his? And before you repeat "he condemned the trolls" I'm not questioning that. I'm pointing to his typical stump speech activity that is absolutely "us vs the world" throughout. When you pour that out from the stump you do in fact have to bear some responsibility when the tactical applications get out of control.

 

[Lexicus]

Did her campaign operate in the "with us or against us" framework that Sanders fosters in his?

Well, I got called sexist outright by several Warren supporters for not supporting their candidate.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Well, I got called sexist outright by several Warren supporters for not supporting their candidate.

Fair enough. I'm trying to think if I ever encountered any actual Warren supporters.

Did they try to get your home address and phone number to post it on line?

 

[Lexicus]

Did they try to get your home address and phone number to post it on line?

No, but I'm not a popular Twitter account or anything like that.

 

[Zardnaar]

Well, I got called sexist outright by several Warren supporters for not supporting their candidate.

People try and guilt you into voting for their candidate or seeing their crap movie.

They'll call you fascist, sexist, racist a TERF or any other word that you might need to look up.

They use fear because the adults in the room are to scared to stand up to the Insanity.

But they're scaring people away. Warren's campaign collapsed when she played the sexist card even though Sanders was probably right assuming he said it.

Most if them couldn't organize a booze up in a free bar.

 

[Estebonrober]

Did her campaign operate in the "with us or against us" framework that Sanders fosters in his? And before you repeat "he condemned the trolls" I'm not questioning that. I'm pointing to his typical stump speech activity that is absolutely "us vs the world" throughout. When you pour that out from the stump you do in fact have to bear some responsibility when the tactical applications get out of control.

Well it is them against he world a bit isn't it? I mean they represent a massively under-represented part of the population that is tired of being treated like second rate citizens. I get that you don't like this, but the reality is his is a populist movement. I don't like all that comes with that but I do understand it.

Yes her campaign worked from the I'm for the people who have been getting the shaft for 40 years. It was a very similar thread.

 

[Bootstoots]

Sanders lost a lot of support in areas where he was pretty strong in 2016. Looking at Vermont - he did win it, but with only 51% of the vote compared to 86% in 2016. Elsewhere, I see that he really underperformed in the mostly white rural/small-town/small city places compared to 2016. Look at e.g. Oklahoma: he won it in 2016 but lost every county to Biden in 2020. Moving north, he won very few counties in Minnesota despite the fact that he did quite well in non-densely-populated Upper Midwestern areas in 2016. He also did well in Appalachia in 2016 but not so much 2020. And then, of course, he still performed weakly among black voters too.

OTOH, his performance among Hispanic voters did improve. But on balance I don't think his performance so far augurs well at all for his performance in the general election. I suppose if he were to somehow come from behind and manage to win the nomination, that fact by itself would suggest he was more electable than it currently appears. But right now, I suspect Biden really does have a much better chance against Trump.

 

[Estebonrober]

People try and guilt you into voting for their candidate or seeing their crap movie.

They'll call you fascist, sexist, racist a TERF or any other word that you might need to look up.

They use fear because the adults in the room are to scared to stand up to the Insanity.

But they're scaring people away. Warren's campaign collapsed when she played the sexist card even though Sanders was probably right assuming he said it.

Most if them couldn't organize a booze up in a free bar.

Lol you are such a one trick pony man. Do you care about anything else other then the counter wokeness?

 

[Ajidica]

Moving north, he won very few counties in Minnesota despite the fact that he did quite well in non-densely-populated Upper Midwestern areas in 2016. He also did well in Appalachia in 2016 but not so much 2020.

Has Sanders emphasized his environmental policies more in 2020 than 2016? Northern Minnesota has trended Trumpy lately; largely due to fights over mining in the Boundary Waters. DFL is trying to stop new mining because the company's waste mitigation and long-term storage plans are "We put it in a hole and forget about it" which is not what you want in a largely pristine natural park. On the other hand, Northern Minnesota is pretty desperate for some new jobs that aren't related to seasonal tourism or working health care in rural areas.

 

[Zardnaar]

Lol you are such a one trick pony man. Do you care about anything else other then the counter wokeness?

Counter wokeness is important.