2020 US Election (Part One)

[Ajidica]

What are these surname threesomes y'all is postin'? Is it draft pick season already?

They are playing Screw, Marry, Kill.

 

[Hygro]

1) Newsom
2) Warren
3) Biden

Gavin Newsom will be president in 2021 if Trump beats Beto.

 

[Takhisis]

What are these surname threesomes y'all is postin'? Is it draft pick season already?

They are playing Screw, Marry, Kill.

Ok my current top

1) Beto
2) Warren
3) Yang

1) Newsom
2) Warren
3) Biden

It just almost makes sense.

 

[metalhead]

but then all you're doing is shifting the blame and people see that as fundamentally unjust

someone robs your house, you dont go next door and steal their stuff

What are you talking about? If the U.S. government commits wrongs, it should compensate the people who were harmed by those actions. Framing reparations this way explicitly avoids blaming anyone, other than a racist government from a long time ago.

How, exactly, is righting a historic wrong unjust?

 

[cardgame]

If the race narrows down early to Harris vs someone (most likely Biden or Sanders) Harris will have a good chance by virtue of being near the center of the democratic party and probably getting a large part of the minority vote.

Bernie has the most favorability among minorities of all the democratic contenders, especially an overly-aggressive prosecutor's among black people.

Well that someone was Hillary... as I noted several times early-on during the 2016 race... but... you know...

If Hillary can be considered "brutally ruthless" on any scale, it's a scale of self interest, since as mentioned she is conservative and would not be applying any such radical treatments to America's cancer.

 

[Imaus]

Not feelin' the Bern. Won't attend or support Bernie. His time has past. He mishandled these last four years IMO.

I'm not some 'moderate' or 'centrist', hell, I'm a rabid Social Democrat. I'm as left as we can get before bona-fide Socialism comes into play. But Bernie isn't the only one who can help make America catch up to the first world standard that Social Democracy built from the 40s to the 70s, His own grouping from 2015-2016 is still around. Gabbard and Warren come to mind.

Reparations are a joke. Has anyone even actually done them? Yes, this debate can easily slip into 'but it was soooo long ago' which is an excuse, but it is far too late to redo 40 acres and a mule or just hand out some free cash. If African Americans have a shorter life expectancy, higher chance of being singled out for incarceration, or other such ills, we can fix them now with individual and collective projects, reform, and changes that also have the benefit of helping everyone else.

 

[cardgame]

Not feelin' the Bern. Won't attend or support Bernie. His time has past. He mishandled these last four years IMO.

I'm not some 'moderate' or 'centrist', hell, I'm a rabid Social Democrat. I'm as left as we can get before bona-fide Socialism comes into play. But Bernie isn't the only one who can help make America catch up to the first world standard that Social Democracy built from the 40s to the 70s, His own grouping from 2015-2016 is still around. Gabbard and Warren come to mind.

Reparations are a joke. Has anyone even actually done them? Yes, this debate can easily slip into 'but it was soooo long ago' which is an excuse, but it is far too late to redo 40 acres and a mule or just hand out some free cash. If African Americans have a shorter life expectancy, higher chance of being singled out for incarceration, or other such ills, we can fix them now with individual and collective projects, reform, and changes that also have the benefit of helping everyone else.

As I posited for the 2016 race, I don't see how one wrong idea on the only actual Social Democrat in the race can make you turn your back on him. Doesn't matter if you don't like his policies, he's the right man for the job, and socialism 2016 reparations 2020 will not pass Congress. The title is President, not king. Turning your back on him for this is beyond silly.

Just considering what you seem to be proposing on principle... I try to put myself in the shoes of a hypothetical moderate Republican who voted for Trump in 2016. Turns out Trump was a total disaster and I don't want to vote for him again... so what is it that I expect of the Democrats? That they move even further right than they did in 2016, thus abandoning their base and turning off their youth, blacks, hispanics and more... in order to focus on... me? Why do I feel that I'm entitled to such special treatment?... such bend-over-backwards wooing?

You already answered your question... because they were a Trump supporter

 

[Imaus]

As I posited for the 2016 race, I don't see how one wrong idea on the only actual Social Democrat in the race can make you turn your back on him. Doesn't matter if you don't like his policies, he's the right man for the job, and socialism 2016 reparations 2020 will not pass Congress. The title is President, not king. Turning your back on him for this is beyond silly.

I should had specified or formatted it a bit better. Reparations aren't turning me off Bernie. Bernie is turning me off of Bernie. My reparations paragraph was just a train of thought on the subject itself. I don't even know if Bernie supports such an idea. But it doesn't matter. Bernie has been the same since he started his Congressional Career: floats a lot of ideas and bills, and barely wins anything. He hasn't wrangled Congress into supporting him, he is the one who supports others. His national Blue Wave has been less than amazing; even his influence on voter turnout is suspect. He is not someone who screams 'president material', just being a Mayor or in the Senate itself is not enough, you need victories, clout, and a aura of confidence that goes beyond his immediate followers.

 

[cardgame]

He has to support others in Congress because Congress is all right wing of him. If elected it would shift the Overton window back into something resembling sanity as polits realize there's serious support for this stuff.

 

[Imaus]

He has to support others in Congress because Congress is all right wing of him. If elected it would shift the Overton window back into something resembling sanity as polits realize there's serious support for this stuff.

This is assuming he'll be elected. I just pointed out a huge slew of problems that are in his way that'll bar that. Like 2016, he is simply a career politician with no real achievements beyond being a IND in a two party system. What is his actual resume? What has he actually done? What has stuck and stood the test of time?

These are things voters do care about. Back in 2016, I gave Bernie some leeway, but after he failed then, promised a Progressive Blue Wave that barely materialized out of his direct or indirect influence, and has basically just sat around doing basically nothing, as always, that leeway has evaporated.

 

[Berzerker]

What are you talking about? If the U.S. government commits wrongs, it should compensate the people who were harmed by those actions. Framing reparations this way explicitly avoids blaming anyone, other than a racist government from a long time ago.

How, exactly, is righting a historic wrong unjust?

We cant right the wrong, the victims and criminals are long dead. I might as well demand money from the British on behalf of my Irish ancestors. I dont mean to nitpick but the US government didn't commit the wrong anyway, it was off killing Indians and taking their land while slavery was up to the states. Why should the descendants of abolitionists who died ending slavery pay reparations?

 

[Hygro]

Well, to honor the work of those abolitionists to start with.

 

[Hygro]

It just almost makes sense.

Yang's my bro I already know.

 

[Estebonrober]

We cant right the wrong, the victims and criminals are long dead. I might as well demand money from the British on behalf of my Irish ancestors. I dont mean to nitpick but the US government didn't commit the wrong anyway, it was off killing Indians and taking their land while slavery was up to the states. Why should the descendants of abolitionists who died ending slavery pay reparations?

Oh yea that's agreeable, we should make the slave states pay, because vindictive federal governments are the best! Like that SALT repeal! That was good governing! /s

Integrating the schools helped a generation of young blacks a lot, the nation has slid back into segregation. Maybe we could focus on that, afte rall its hard to feel a part of something when you know you are getting the worst end of the deal at every level from birth on.

 

[Berzerker]

Well, to honor the work of those abolitionists to start with.

How does taking their progeny's money honor them?

Oh yea that's agreeable, we should make the slave states pay, because vindictive federal governments are the best! Like that SALT repeal! That was good governing! /s

Integrating the schools helped a generation of young blacks a lot, the nation has slid back into segregation. Maybe we could focus on that, afte rall its hard to feel a part of something when you know you are getting the worst end of the deal at every level from birth on.

End the drug war and free its victims

 

[Takhisis]

Yang's my bro I already know.

'k. Who is he?

 

[Lexicus]

woke: reparations for slavery except the reparations is education policy reform that forces white children to go to school with black children and prevents the white parents from disinvesting from the schools

 

[Hygro]

How does taking their progeny's money honor them?

Their work was to end slavery. We can heal its echoes in their honor.

Also, it's more like interfering with your financial situation more than taking your money. Like, if the bill is courtesy Uncle Printing Press, and it's a lot of money, there might be a tax, there might not. There doesn't have to be so let's imagine there isn't. Let's also imagine it's a lot of money. Bang more employment (more money to you indirectly), full fat employment, inflation time! Interest rates go up (less for you). But we could imagine it many other ways, better and worse.

Personally I have no position on reparations. My hope would be it would jump start the final push toward true equality. My fear is that it's a big untargeted mess that while would obvious help a lot of people, wouldn't end inequality at all and just be proof why we shouldn't even bother with continued iterative programs pushing equality that stay safer below the radar. I'm kinda just down for whatever.

But, I don't think we're dishonoring abolitionists by sacrificing to continue their work.

'k. Who is he?

The mang.

 

[Broken_Erika]

woke: reparations for slavery except the reparations is education policy reform that forces white children to go to school with black children and prevents the white parents from disinvesting from the schools

Radical Liberal nonsense this is! Next you'll be saying that children from different economic levels should be allowed to intermix!

 

[Berzerker]

Their work was to end slavery. We can heal its echoes in their honor.

Also, it's more like interfering with your financial situation more than taking your money. Like, if the bill is courtesy Uncle Printing Press, and it's a lot of money, there might be a tax, there might not. There doesn't have to be so let's imagine there isn't. Let's also imagine it's a lot of money. Bang more employment (more money to you indirectly), full fat employment, inflation time! Interest rates go up (less for you). But we could imagine it many other ways, better and worse.

Personally I have no position on reparations. My hope would be it would jump start the final push toward true equality. My fear is that it's a big untargeted mess that while would obvious help a lot of people, wouldn't end inequality at all and just be proof why we shouldn't even bother with continued iterative programs pushing equality that stay safer below the radar. I'm kinda just down for whatever.

But, I don't think we're dishonoring abolitionists by sacrificing to continue their work.

Making other people pay reparations for slavery is forced labor