Altered maps VIII: World borders just got garbage-dayed

[Dachs]

Calling Usea "Atlantis" might not be too far away from fact if you look at Farbanti in the aftermath of the Ulysses 1994XF04 asteroid impact. Yuktobania is, yes, Russia By Any Other Name (Prime Minister Seryozha Viktrovich Nikanor, anyone?), and Osea is America - although, so is Emmeria.

Anyway, it's the world of Namco's Ace Combat games.

 

[choxorn]

To be fair, I'm not sure the Philippines could have joined even had it wanted to.

Yeah- it should be "Colony/Territory of Non-Member," not "Never Members"

 

[Chieftess]

Kyriakos might like this one -

The Nine Byzantine Empires

Instead of Emperor Maurice sending an army into Barbarian lands to save money (which led to the Byzantine-Sassinid war, and weakening boths side), the emperor took other measures. He let the far western provinces become semi-autonomous vassals, freeing up maintainence costs in sending supplies to such a far corner of the empire. In turn, the armies were sent to shore up the Mespotamia region. By the time the Arabian Empire started stirring, the Byzantines were ready. The Arabians and Sassinids instead weakened each other, which allowed the Byzantines to swoop in and claim both of their territories. The empire lasted well into the 10th century before internal conflict split the empire. The succeeding nations, however, retained their Byzantine ties. When the Great Schism occured, their national churches were known as "Orthodoxos Orientalis". Russia and other Slavic Orthodox countries would be the "Northern Orthodox".

I was thinking of this as an Alternate History, and wondering how that would affect technology and the Age of Discovery. The Printing Press and gunpowder weapons would probably have gotten to Europe much sooner. There might be more wars to conquer Jeruselam (by both European countries, and the other 'little' Byzantine empires to reclaim their glory) for prestige and a trading foothold. Don't know if that might actually speed up the Age of Discovery. BTW, that big Ethopian blob is more like a loose confederation of tribes and kingdoms, but has a rich Somalian port that trades with India.

 

[Dachs]

Instead of Emperor Maurice sending an army into Barbarian lands to save money (which led to the Byzantine-Sassinid war, and weakening boths side), the emperor took other measures. He let the far western provinces become semi-autonomous vassals, freeing up maintainence costs in sending supplies to such a far corner of the empire.

That was...never really in the cards. Most of those territories were ill-garrisoned anyway, and as the Herakleioi in Africa and Gennadios a generation later show, functioned as basically semi-autonomous entities due to the distance from the capital if nothing else. What, exactly, did you have in mind, that would change the nature of these territories from Exarchates to [insert x]s? I'm not sure how this would save money at all. Plus, wintering north of the Danube in 602 was a security mechanism as much as a cost-saver, intended to weaken external raiders. Wouldn't it simply be better to either erase the famine a few months earlier through weather manipulation, or to have Petros successfully crack down on Phokas' mutiny?

Also, there's no way in hell the Sasanians would get killed by the Arabs without the 602-28 war (I also might object to your teleological lolislam, but it's semi-reasonable to postulate that by 602), and definitely no way the Byzantines could conquer that territory, even if they wanted to. And why would they want to take over Arabia...?

Anyway, I disapprove on realism grounds.

 

[Chieftess]

That was...never really in the cards. Most of those territories were ill-garrisoned anyway, and as the Herakleioi in Africa and Gennadios a generation later show, functioned as basically semi-autonomous entities due to the distance from the capital if nothing else. What, exactly, did you have in mind, that would change the nature of these territories from Exarchates to [insert x]s? I'm not sure how this would save money at all. Plus, wintering north of the Danube in 602 was a security mechanism as much as a cost-saver, intended to weaken external raiders. Wouldn't it simply be better to either erase the famine a few months earlier through weather manipulation, or to have Petros successfully crack down on Phokas' mutiny?

Also, there's no way in hell the Sasanians would get killed by the Arabs without the 602-28 war (I also might object to your teleological lolislam, but it's semi-reasonable to postulate that by 602), and definitely no way the Byzantines could conquer that territory, even if they wanted to. And why would they want to take over Arabia...?

Anyway, I disapprove on realism grounds.

There's no way for half of these altered maps in this thread to be true either - and not all of us are history buffs to the smallest detail. (That's like hating the Civ series because there's no way the Americans could have fought the Hittites).

 

[Karalysia]

None of those were small details. (And I only play world maps for a reason)

 

[eduhum]

Do you guys like the lord of the rings and all the sort of the other tolkien creations¿ I do.

Here is a map, 1000 of the 4th age, after the council of Idon'tknowwhat city:

I AM ashamed of this poor graphics quality of this map, but I personally thinks it fullfills the goal of exposing the idea of a futuristic middle-earth:

Spoiler :

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Pink is dwarfen city-states
Light-green is the shire
Green is the elven kingdom. Al the elves scattered from all earth (not only the west) have come here.
Yellow is the territories stated by the council to be forbidden. There live all the magical creatures and independent tribes. The center city is Isengard.
Shadow grey is basically the same with elves but with dark creatures.
New kingdoms can be Forodwaith, Druwaith-Iaur, Adorn, ,etc.
Most of others you can AND SHOULD know

 

[Ajidica]

If it is during the 4th age, shouldn't it be the Reunited Kingdom instead of Gondor and controlling Gondor, all of Mordor, and Arnor/Eriador?

 

[Dachs]

There's no way for half of these altered maps in this thread to be true either - and not all of us are history buffs to the smallest detail. (That's like hating the Civ series because there's no way the Americans could have fought the Hittites).

Yeah, but it looked like you were actually trying to be realistic.

 

[eduhum]

If it is during the 4th age, shouldn't it be the Reunited Kingdom instead of Gondor and controlling Gondor, all of Mordor, and Arnor/Eriador?

Yeah, but after 1000 years the power of the reunited kingdom has weakened (but all the new countries are vassals)

 

[really]

http://www.shipais.com/showship.php?map=IrishSea&mmsi=246141000
Ships by their transponders.

What are two Polish, one Estonian, one Belgian, one German and one British warships doing off the south coast of Ireland?

http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/#
This one also shows a Norwegian one.

 

[cardgame]

Having a party, of course

 

[spryllino]

According to Wikipedia the Crocus and the HMS Penzance are both minehunters. Presumably they're minehunting?

 

[really]

According to Wikipedia the Crocus and the HMS Penzance are both minehunters. Presumably they're minehunting?

As is the Estonian one maybe they are looking for leftovers from WW2 or something.

 

[say1988]

I would say probably some sort of training exercise.

A quick google says HMS Penzance joined Exercise Joint Warrior 102 two weeks ago.

 

[Tee Kay]

What's with the West Coast?

 

[madviking]

What's with the West Coast?

I remember this quite well.


Link to video.

 

[Joecoolyo]

What's with the West Coast?

EL NINO STRIKES AGAIN

 

[Mad Man]

I'm more intrested in whats going on with Canada on this map, I mean just look.

 

[Karalysia]

Why was Boston spared?