Anders Breivik declared sane

@Traitorfish - hold off on the conspiracy theories
The who now with the what? :confused:

People of his mind frame can find "justification" for their barbarism in any form of extremism: right-wing, left-wing, religious, etc. There are plenty examples of all of them out there. I don't think his politics are all that important.
If I understand you correctly, you're saying that he killed a bunch of people just because he wanted to kill a bunch of people, and that the political narrative he gave to his actions was superficial, yes? But isn't that basically what the new results are contending?
 
and that the political narrative he gave to his actions was superficial, yes?

I think it's far, far to early to conclude that the right-wing political narrative, with it's violent (in the loose sense) narrative, in some way *caused* the actions of any of the explicitly right-wing politically-motivated shooters in the last few years.

All we can say is that right-wing politics are far more attractive to the criminally insane AND evil or homicidal people already existent in the population.

But of course we've known that for a long time, and that doesn't really have anything to do with the recent violence.

Vis a vis violence, I think all we can say is political speech advocating or implying violence will find violent followers, right-wing or left-wing. The sensible thing is for parties/leaders to curtail their own extremists. But we've known that for a long time, too. Thing is: It gets the votes.

So, given that, I think the question of the guy's sanity is more or less moot. Violence really does beget violence, even if the initial violence is just someone else's extremist rhetoric. The process may take years, as private speech turns public, public becomes widespread, widespread becomes institutional and taken as a given. Someone - nut or not - actually taking it at face value and occasionally killing should be expected.
 
I think it's far, far to early to conclude that the right-wing political narrative, with it's violent (in the loose sense) narrative, in some way *caused* the actions of any of the explicitly right-wing politically-motivated shooters in the last few years.
Well, I didn't mean to suggest that his politics caused his actions. I don't really think it's a case of them either being superficial on the one hand, or fundamental on the other. The question is whether his politics represented a substantial ideological framework within which the concious decision to undertake these actions took place, or whether the framework was fundamentally one of idiosyncratic paranoia, and the politics was simply a way of articulating it. It's a question of whether Matthew Hopkins, the "Witch-Hunter General", was a religious fanatic or just a violent paranoiac, if you follow the analogy.
 
I think the only motive here is to avoid showing the total weakness of Norwegian justice which is potentially going to embarass and expose itself by being forced to give max 25 years to this guy.
I don't think Norwegians consider their justice "weak" just because it makes a difference between penalty and protection of their population.
 
I wonder how merciful the courts will be to Breivik? My guess is not very.
 
If I remember previous threads on the Norwegian court system right, isn't the absolute hard minimum number of years Breivik can serve is 21 with 5 year review boards afterwards to determine if he is still a danger to society? I can see those review boards lasting for a very long time.
 
Only a twisted mind could claim self defense in this case right here.

I think he just wants the attention, when they first brought him to court he read a statement that said he deserved a medal.
 
Yeah the self defence is just a way for him to showcase his ideology in court. It allows him to make the case that the multicultural islamomarxists that are apparently ruling all europe pose an immediate danger to his person.
 
I didn't realise it was possible to confuse a psychotic individual with a healthy individual so easily. A case of political dial-a-diagnosis? I think so. I'm not sure which one is correct but at least the court has both now to allow itself the luxury of coming to any conclusion it wants.

he wasnt deemed healthy. he was deemed responsible for his actions.

@Traitorfish - hold off on the conspiracy theories. I think the only motive here is to avoid showing the total weakness of Norwegian justice which is potentially going to embarass and expose itself by being forced to give max 25 years to this guy.

If I remember previous threads on the Norwegian court system right, isn't the absolute hard minimum number of years Breivik can serve is 21 with 5 year review boards afterwards to determine if he is still a danger to society? I can see those review boards lasting for a very long time.

si tacuisses...
 
The sentence can be renewed if he is determined to remaina danger to society, yes indeed.
 
The whole point of the system is to prevent sentences like 700 years without further deliberation. If a criminal is to be imprisoned for a long time, his sentence should be subject to review after 25 years, definitely. A person can change enormously in 25 years, especially if they're in rehabilitative conditions.

But Breivik is of course an extreme case. I can't see him being released ever under any conditions. There's just no way you can trust someone like that and no way you can guarantee his safety in the open society. He killed a lot of kids, some of them children of some rather powerful people.
 
Christy. I'm a pretty rabid mental health advocate... legally insane or not, put a bullet in his head and be done with it.
 
If I understand you correctly, you're saying that he killed a bunch of people just because he wanted to kill a bunch of people, and that the political narrative he gave to his actions was superficial, yes? But isn't that basically what the new results are contending?

It's not that his politics were of little importance to him; obviously he took them very seriously. What I meant is that he os a psycopath, and his psycopathy led him to radical politics, not the other way around. That he ended up a far-right psycopath is a IMO merely circumstance and chance; people of that exact mind frame were behind Peru's far-left Sendero Luminoso, for instanve.
 
Christy. I'm a pretty rabid mental health advocate... legally insane or not, put a bullet in his head and be done with it.

Indeed, Norway should grow some balls and hang him.
 
I understand why people may want to execute this individual, but his death by execution won't solve the lasting damage he inflicted on others and on Norway itself. It won't bring back the dead victims, it won't heal the wounds he caused.
 
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