Anti-Fascist Image Problems

Tekee

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Antifa Takes On Nationalists In Russian Youth's Civil War.
The problem is that while both fascist and anti-fascist is an attractive ideology for the youth, the anti-fascists are always considered to be the scrawny, weaker youth while fascist is bigger and stronger.
So it is funny that the western media ensures that Ivan Khutorskoi is the only face of Anti-Fa.
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Though the soon to be released neo-nazi Tesak, has his own video's where he interviews "anti-fa"
He asks them, will you fight fascists?
The Anti-Fa say, "Will will always fight them!"
Then Tesak goes, I am a fascist? How will you fight me?
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They back down, he pushes them out of the way and continues his documentary.
Another goal of anti-fa is to fight racism, but what will they do in this situation:
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Support the Armenians against the Fascists? :crazyeye:

I learned that Ivan Khutorskoi has died.
"Ivan Khutorskoi had survived a few attacks by militant nationalists -- once with a knife, once with a razor, and once with a screwdriver. But the burly 26-year-old's luck ran out on November 16 when he was shot dead in the stairwell of his apartment on the outskirts of Moscow.

A day later, Khutorskoi's allies in Russia's growing antifascist movement, known as "Antifa," struck back.

Scores of Antifa activists descended on the headquarters of the pro-Kremlin youth group Young Russia -- which Antifa members say has ties to extreme nationalists. The activists smashed windows with metal rods, threw stones and garbage, and clashed with Young Russia members."

They lost this "clash". that is why when articles of "Neo-Nazi's descending" on things does not come with "smashing windows, throwing stones, and garbage."
Since this a clash of youth cultures, older people do not participate.
Though from news reports of activities by anti-fa versus facists, it is always seeming like the anti-fa are the more annoying to older people who don't care about ideology.
From personal experience it is the anti-fascist graffiti which is more prevalent then fascist graffiti. So for the battle of hearts and minds, it is the anti-fa which is losing the support of older people, as well as the Kremlin, which has sponsored a growth in Nationalism, but not Fascism. So the Fascists have another enemy, the Pro-Kremlin youth groups.
Which the Anti-Fa say is too fascist so they attack the pro-kremlin youths.
Overall, I think the pro-kremlin youths have the most sound economic policies.
But the full fledged fascists are more attractive ideologically.
And the Anti-Fa is useful diplomatically as they have support from all over West Europe. Western money funds this Anti-Fa organizations.
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This slingshot is more appropriate symbol for anti-fa :)

Newspaper described this as a "Clash Between Police and Anti-Fa" to give the impression that Russian police is anti-Anti-Fa and treats Anti-Fa unfairly. (Though the western media and Anti-Fa will only feel like it is treated fairly if it gained control of Russia's media and was given free reign to destroy russians. Incidentally both anti-fa and fascist complain that the Russian democracy is a totalitarian ;) )
 
I saw the Aktion in action in Munich while I was there.

There were about 7 members of the NPD surrounded by gates and guarded by green beret wearing (soldiers? officers?) and at least 500 counter-protesters.
 
I saw the Aktion in action in Munich while I was there.

There were about 7 members of the NPD surrounded by gates and guarded by green beret wearing (soldiers? officers?) and at least 500 counter-protesters.

Then how do they pictures like this, of Anti-Fa demonstrations. In Switerland.
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Maybe Anti-Fa is just an invisible force of graffiti :)
 
Though the western media and Anti-Fa will only feel like it is treated fairly if it gained control of Russia's media and was given free reign to destroy russians.

Thank God we have fascists to stop it! :worship:

Every time I think about my country, I'm almost immobilized by fear of anti-fa scum taking control over my beautiful land in cooperation with Armenians. Only the thought about noble Russian Fascists guarding my country makes me able to move again. :worship:

In b4 the lock, BTW.
 
lol, antifa has huge problems. Their image is far from their biggest concern.

First of all their members aren't very good. Most of them are very young spoiled upper class kids and are still going through a hate the world phase. The drugs are another big problem. Many of their leaders are in rehab or in jail for drug offenses. Not to mention all the times they have made fools of themselves when going on a rampage after eating some magic mushrooms.

They are very weak. How many people with green hair and converse shoes can fight? They had an upswing when the emo fashion was at its peak but when the emos disappeared antifa lost a lot of people.

In Sweden and a large part of Russia antifa doesn't exist anymore since they where beaten every time they tried to do something.

Antifa has allways had grafitti and posters as their main method of spreading the workers revolution. Nationalist groups have allways prefered handing out fliers in public areas.

Even though I am a public wn I am 100 times more worried about getting mugged than being attacked by these little revolutionaries.
 
Anti-fascists are as bad as fascists imo -at least nowadays.
 
Funny how both of the fascists in this thread are analysing groups through their capability to violence. Shows how detached they are from the real world. Why aren't everyday politics treated this way? "Democrats surely hold the majority in the senate, but they are armed only with baseball bats while republicans have guns..."

Have neither of you btw noticed that vast majority of people hold fascism one of the most disgusting things on the earth? You seem to think like it's political ideology among others, but almost every other human on this planet see it more as a mental disease. Your "arguments" are from whole other reality. It's like talking with creationist. No, it's actually worse. I've talked with psychotic people who make more sense than you.
 
You know I always thought that a group should be judged on their substance more than their image? But maybe that's just me...
 
Well the substance of Antifa can be very silly itself. Members are often just as much followers of a blind ideology as some Hitler-youth-boy had been. But that also depends on the country and it's political environment. I think as more fascist a country is as better becomes the substance of Antifa. So there might be something to them in Russia with it's rise of nationalism and authoritarianism.
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@Tekee A favor of fascism over anti-fascism tells more about Russia than it does tell about the anti-fa
 
You're starting off on the wrong foot as a political movement if you define yourself by what you're against. Why don't they call themselves democrats or something more positive?
 
I think the fascists and their enablers have far greater image problems.
 
Well the substance of Antifa can be very silly itself. Members are often just as much followers of a blind ideology as some Hitler-youth-boy had been.

I would prefer that people blindly follow something that is correct than something that is completely and horrendously wrong. Even substance that is blindly followed and of the simplistic form of 'we hate teh fascists' is better substance than that of a fascist group.
 
So essentially the OP is saying those who oppose fascism have image problems because they don't look like militaristic compensating blowhards. Therefore, they would have a hard time attracting militaristic compensating blowhards. Alright.
 
The problem with AFA-Sweden is that they don't limit their activities to fighting fascists but also attack regular people from the 'blue' block (non-socialists) and riot and vandalize property every time there is any sort of international event in Sweden.

If they would just fight nazis and the like I wouldn't have a problem with them, it would basically be the social rejects dividing into two teams and keeping eachother busy from bothering regular hard-working people, that would be ideal.
 
I would prefer that people blindly follow something that is correct than something that is completely and horrendously wrong. Even substance that is blindly followed and of the simplistic form of 'we hate teh fascists' is better substance than that of a fascist group.
I prefer people who decide for them self what is correct. All "evil" ideologies of this world are build upon people's willingness not to do so.
 
So essentially the OP is saying those who oppose fascism have image problems because they don't look like militaristic compensating blowhards. Therefore, they would have a hard time attracting militaristic compensating blowhards. Alright.
Things is, he does have kind of a point, if only by accident. If the extreme right is seen as the only sufficiently "strong" ideology among disenfranchised, working class males, then they gravitate towards it and enforce it, which is, at least from the standpoint of Antifa, a bad thing. Of course, the solution is not to embrace the far right's image of strength, anymore than it is to pretend this conflict of image does not exist. Rather, it may need to be confronted and properly dismissed.
We've seen this before, after all.
 
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