Biden's corruption

[cardgame]

Probably the outcome will be escapism. Taking a wild guess, expect a "religious revival" there way beyond the evangelical phenomenon.

Your prediction is about 4 years too late.

 

[Patine]

My suspicion is that America's soft power is so strong that this left/right divide is going to creep into other countries. Especially ones that follow American news and view the US as an (ostensible) ally.

Soft power abroad, soft tyranny at home. It's pretty bleak.

 

[Berzerker]

Damage lol. You mean Obama was a more effective at doing the things you and your ilk demanded be done?

What you actually liked better about Trump was him was ripping babies and children from their families and putting them in cages.

Which is what Trump was actually harshly criticized for doing. And you manage to poop out that Obama-style deportations of adults was what got people upset? Really? Jesus H. Christ on a rancid orange cracker, GTFOH.

More effective because he had more cooperation from the states and the media. You see, that was Jimmy Dore's point - he even predicted Trump would deport fewer people. A Democrat in the WH can get away with more evil than a Republican because the media will cover for them.

I vote libertarian and support 'open borders', the 'ilk' would be the Democrats and Republicans who want to deport these people. Some here even voted for Obama and Biden, but all those people deported under Obama will be pleased to learn they suffered no 'damage lol'.

Democrats criticized Trump for all sorts of things, like the use of tear gas on people at the border and children in cages while showing us video of tear gas being used on people at the border and children in cages from the Obama era.

In Obama's first three years in office, around 1.18 million persons were deported, while around 800,000 deportations took place under Trump in his three years of presidency.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_and_removal_from_the_United_States

Almost 400,000 more people were deported under Obama in the first 3 years. Which was the greater evil?

Obama ended up with about 3 million deportations and Trump was constantly attacked over DACA and the Dreamers.

 

[Birdjaguar]

@Berzerker I think your numbers are wrong. Here is a chart with Clinton, Bush and Obama numbers that include the changes in calculations that have happened since Bush.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/obama-record-deportations-deporter-chief-or-not

Here are Trump's numbers through 2019:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...ts-and-deportations-have-changed-under-trump/

 

[Birdjaguar]

And a bit more:

While deportations of family units rose, the United States deported fewer adult individuals and unaccompanied minors last fiscal year. In total, ICE deported 185,884 people in the 2020 fiscal year, a 30 percent drop from the previous year and the lowest tally of Trump’s term, according to the report. More than 4,000 unaccompanied minors were among them, down from more than 6,300 the year before.

Lucero attributed the decline in deportations to limited detention space during the pandemic and fewer referrals from the border. He said the past year has been unlike “any we have ever seen or could have ever imagined because of the pandemic.”

The ICE deportations are in addition to nearly 200,000 “expulsions” in the past fiscal year — an emergency power that Trump gave border officials to rapidly remove people from the United States, sometimes in a matter of hours, while bypassing typical immigration proceedings.

That tally includes many migrants who attempted to enter the United States more than once. But Lucero emphasized that ICE’s priority remains public safety, and that most of the 62,700 people deported from the interior of the United States last year had criminal charges or convictions. “ICE contributes tremendously to keeping our communities safe, and we want people to see that,” he said.

Trump had vowed to ratchet up immigration enforcement but ultimately fell short of his goals. The president won praise at the start of his term for declaring that any of the 11 million undocumented immigrants in the United States could be deported, while his predecessor, President Barack Obama, had pressed ICE agents to limit their work to criminals and recent border crossers.

Obama ultimately deported more immigrants: Trump removed about 935,000 people during his four-year term, compared with nearly 1.6 million during Obama’s first term, according to figures from the Migration Policy Institute.

Deportations from the interior of the United States — primarily people who have been arrested for crimes — also remained lower than ICE officials had hoped. Officials faced fierce resistance from “sanctuary cities” that refused to turn over people they had arrested for state and local crimes, one of the main ways ICE takes immigrants into custody.

Sarah Pierce, a policy analyst at the institute, said the Trump administration lagged behind Obama in interior enforcement “even though they were extremely enthusiastic about it.” Trump also was stymied by an influx of unaccompanied minors and families at the U.S.-Mexico border — more than half a million in 2019 alone — that swamped border facilities and slowed deportations.

More recently, the coronavirus has diminished the number of detainees in ICE custody because of requirements for social distancing. At their peak under Trump, the immigration jails held more than 50,000 people a day. Fewer than 16,000 are currently in custody, Lucero said.

 

[Berzerker]

1.6m to .935m sounds about right for a 4 year term, my link said 1.18m to .8m for the first 3 years of both presidents

 

[cardgame]

5 pages into the Biden Corruption thread, has anyone presented any evidence at all?

 

[Ferocitus]

That really sounds like you just want to pick an argument. No attempt to add to the discussion, just trying to provoke other people. Fishy.

I assume you're trying to prove the other quote attributed to Churchill regarding democracy by being an example.

No argument necessary - "Democracy" is a lovely ideal, but it doesn't work in practice.

 

[Ferocitus]

5 pages into the Biden Corruption thread, has anyone presented any evidence at all?

It's like Boston Legal - you don't need evidence, you just need a lawyer to stand up and say, "Denny Crane".
Or "Rudy Guiliani" if you're into that reality thing.

 

[Sommerswerd]

5 pages into the Biden Corruption thread, has anyone presented any evidence at all?

Massive Cheeting

 

[Berzerker]

5 pages into the Biden Corruption thread, has anyone presented any evidence at all?

I'd be happy to talk about Biden's corruption, but the only thing you linked was the laptop conspiracy.

You mean all those photos and email exchanges from the laptop were fabricated? I sure hope the Bidens have told the FBI. The link in the OP provided more taking you to Tony Bobulinksi.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunte...-joe-bidens-push-to-make-millions-from-china/

 

[cardgame]

so... no evidence, then. cool.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

So .... Biden's corruption?

Laptop.

Discuss.

 

[Ferocitus]

So .... Biden's corruption?

Laptop.

Discuss.

Why did Guiliani offer NBC copies of a small number of emails but not a complete copy of the laptop's hard drive?

 

[Broken_Erika]

so... no evidence, then. cool.

Evidence is for commies!

 

[Sarin]

No argument necessary - "Democracy" is a lovely ideal, but it doesn't work in practice.

Try to come up with something better.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Try to come up with something better.

Stephen Fry - President of the World

 

[Sarin]

Stephen Fry - President of the World

If you manage to make him immortal, I might think about it.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

If you manage to make him immortal, I might think about it.

It's not perfect, but it's better than democracy.

 

[Ferocitus]

Try to come up with something better.

Mission accomplished (by others, not me.)