Brexit Thread V - The Final Countdown?!?

[mitsho]

I'd vote for a Scortie.

And since we are on topic: https://www.the-postillon.com/2017/02/scotland-switzerland.html

 

[really]

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-data...ack-governments-pressure-on-backstop-11629673
Sky have done some polling here in Ireland.
Any suggestion of Ireland leaving the EU and linking ourselves to the UK economically or politically is nonsense.

 

[Arakhor]

In other news, water is wet and farmyard porcines are not yet airborne.

 

[really]

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...brexit-trade-deal_uk_5c5b26c6e4b00187b5579f64
A selection of submissions of US lobbyists of what they would like in a US UK trade deal.
Essentially they want US standards.
It highlights some of the differences between EU and US standards and approaches.

 

[Arakhor]

I saw that linked on Twitter this morning. The first half was so terrifying that I was desensitised merely halfway down the page.

 

[Hrothbern]

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...brexit-trade-deal_uk_5c5b26c6e4b00187b5579f64
A selection of submissions of US lobbyists of what they would like in a US UK trade deal.
Essentially they want US standards.
It highlights some of the differences between EU and US standards and approaches.

As from my earlier posts Liam Fox is quite busy organising a coupe directly after a no-deal exit.

He will be the hero with many agreements signed in the seconds following the champagne party in the late evening of March 29
Not that those agreements amount to much good, but that is a matter of opinion.
Crucial are the radical changes towards zero tariffs & quotas, the tax cuts, and the quick fix saviour deals like the one with the US.... a hard rudder right to the liberalised paradises of the US and Singapore.
What an opportunity !

I really feel sad for all those leftish and left people in the delusion that Brexit is about political principles. A kind of penny wise, pound foolish.
It is first of all an attempt for an ordinary coupe at the expense of the ordinary values and the ordinary people of the UK.
With a weak captain at the ship's bridge.

Note
It is only because those lobby documents are public in the US that this info, up to details, is accessable for the UK public.
Liam does everything in secrecy with NDA's.

Here an example from the links in that article on the demolition of the UK NHS
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=USTR-2018-0036-0107

Point 13 is the best one
If the UK would agree to this, it has replaced the ECJ of the EU by investor-state arbitration for trade disputes, NOT by its own UK laws or courts, not by common rules, but by powerplay of interests.
Good Luck with that in a dispute with the US !

13) Allow foreign businesses to sue the British state

A separate investor-state dispute settlement scheme has also been suggested for a US-UK trade deal.

This one, suggested by the powerful Security Industry and Financial Markets Association, would allow multinational companies to sue the Britain over regulations or interventions the state makes in the country’s or citizens’ interests.

A crucial difference of this scheme would mean cases would not be heard in the British courts but in arbitration courts which are not subject to domestic law.

In a recent case in a similar scheme, the Australian government was sued under a similar mechanism for trying to remove branding from cigarettes, for example.

The Association told the consultation: “The most effective dispute settlement mechanism for investors is investor-state arbitration. A UK-US agreement should include such a mechanism and ensure it extends to financial services to enable investors to bring their claims on a depoliticised basis and seek damages for breaches of the obligations.”

 

[tjs282]

I saw that linked on Twitter this morning. The first half was so terrifying that I was desensitised merely halfway down the page.

I got all the way to the bottom, but it didn't get any less nauseating. Pretty much "You should throw out all your [higher] quality/safety standards, and adopt all of our [lower] standards instead" — right across the board.

Still, that's what the Leavers wanted, wasn't it? God forbid that (higher) standards be 'forced' on the UK by Brussels, soooo much better to have (lower) ones from Washington DC, especially right around the same time that the sitting POTUS is hell-bent on gutting the various Fed Agencies that actually monitor/enforce even those standards...

“The most effective dispute settlement mechanism for investors is investor-state arbitration.

Or in other words, the 'investors' tend to get their way more often under those circumstances...

 

[Manfred Belheim]

You should read your own posts in your head before hitting the button.

Pearls of wisdom as usual. Please point out what you actually disagree with and why (for once).

 

[Broken_Erika]

Now This is a proper solution!
UK to dig huge moat along EU border

 

[Kyriakos]

^ doesnt the train service still exist? Or will it be blown up and have the tunnel cemented

 

[Hrothbern]

The tunnel will stay in use for negotiations only

 

[Takhisis]

I suppose that after a no-deal Brexit the only way to actually hold talks would be to stand at whatever point in the tunnel is provisionally agreed upon to be the underwater limit between France and the UK.

 

[Kyriakos]

At least now Oceania can form. Eurasia and Eastasia to follow.

 

[Hrothbern]

The ferry contract by the transport secretary, Chris Grayling, to Seaborne Freight has been cancelled.
The company had no ships, but was backed by an Irish company with ships.

“Following the decision of Seaborne Freight’s backer, Arklow Shipping, to step back from the deal, it became clear Seaborne would not reach its contractual requirements with the government. We have therefore decided to terminate our agreement.

“The government is already in advanced talks with a number of companies to secure additional freight capacity – including through the port of Ramsgate – in the event of a no-deal Brexit.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ncels-brexit-ferry-contract-with-no-ship-firm

 

[Kyriakos]

.... Lol. :/

 

[GoodSarmatian]

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...brexit-trade-deal_uk_5c5b26c6e4b00187b5579f64
A selection of submissions of US lobbyists of what they would like in a US UK trade deal.
Essentially they want US standards.
It highlights some of the differences between EU and US standards and approaches.

That's enough to make me anti-Brexit. My Schadenfrude has turned into pity.

 

[Phrossack]

Some corporations and billionaires like Brexit for much the same reason that wolves like it when an animal breaks away from the herd. They're already licking their chops.

 

[uppi]

So it looks like May is going to punt yet again:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47187491

MPs may not be given a vote on a revised version of Theresa May's Brexit deal this month, a minister has said.
[...]
She will ask MPs for more time to get changes to the deal in talks with Brussels - but Labour has accused her of "cynically" running down the clock.
[...]
But Labour's shadow Brexit secretary, Sir Keir Starmer, says he believes the prime minister is "pretending to make progress" on this issue.

He says what she actually intends to do is return to Parliament after the 21/22 March European Council summit the week before Brexit and offer MPs a "binary choice" - her deal or no deal.

It looks like the "meaningful vote" is going to be as meaningful as expected: Not at all.

 

[Silurian]

Shipborne exports from the UK are likely to soon start getting to there destination after 29 March so will be liable to an unknown amount of tariff. Who will pay or will people delay exports. The UK government has put off informing people what tariff rates will apply.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

So it looks like May is going to punt yet again:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47187491


It looks like the "meaningful vote" is going to be as meaningful as expected: Not at all.

I read somewhere that a binding, immediate second referendum was being seriously considered.