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Coronavirus: awaiting for the new wave

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Josu, Dec 10, 2020.

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  1. Marla_Singer

    Marla_Singer United in diversity

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    Better access to healthcare can be determined by economical reasons, therefore the cause can actually be social inequalities. If there are more poors among blacks and latinos and poors have worse access to healthcare, then blacks and latinos would have worse access to healthcare because they are poorer. However, maybe poors among white people have an equally bad access to healthcare, in which case the problem wouldn't be racism, but poverty.

    Anyway, we can't really know considering the study limits itself to race groups without taking in considerations any other factor.
     
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  2. Ferocitus

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    Probability of death in next year by age and gender. U.S. actuarial stats (2016), no accounting for coronavirus.
    Age Male Female
    80 0.058206 0.042771
    81 0.064581 0.047992
    82 0.071657 0.053678
    83 0.079465 0.059810
    84 0.088141 0.066584
    85 0.097854 0.074258
    86 0.108747 0.083053
    87 0.120919 0.093123
    88 0.134425 0.104540
    89 0.149273 0.117305

    I love to count. :)
    Many trained professionals have huge difficulties with interpreting medical test results.
    I don't know if there is much anyone can do to stop the spread of fake stats, or dubious interpretations. Murdoch's vile journalists would continue to deliberately use incorrect interpretations for sensationalist headlines that can dupe 90% of the public.

    I doubt that re-vamping Bayes rule is going to help with science communication on social media.
     
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  3. EnglishEdward

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    Some interesting statements in yesterday's Guardian article:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...zeneca-confirms-uk-has-prior-claim-on-vaccine

    I will highlight a few:

    So much for the claims that Boris Johnson and co were in cahoots with and trusted Donald Trump.


    So someone's contingency planning is working.


    While at the same time, the EU is telling Pfizer to stop exports of its vaccine from the EU.


    And the Germans are elsewhere arguing that any approval for the AstraZeneca vaccine should exclude the over 65s.
     
  4. Samson

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    There is some odd shenanigans going on with their meeting, with the EU saysing AZ walked out, and AZ saying we are going to meet in a bit. Sorry about the source, I know the metro is only a little above the mail, but it is the best I can find quickly:
     
  5. EnglishEdward

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    If I was AZ, my line to the EU would be very simple.

    We have submitted our vaccine to you for approval.

    We are prepared to have our medical and technical people discuss our submission of the vaccine for approval.

    We are not prepared to discuss roll out until the EU has approved it, and for whom and with what conditions.

    In the event of it being approved, we will supply it as it is available at the previously agreed contract price.

    If the EU does not approve it and wants to cancel its contract; that is fine; we will sell it direct to member
    state governments willing to buy.

    If the EU wants to take legal action and confiscate our apparently inadequate Belgium facilities; we, and
    perhaps many of our rivals too, will take care to diversify our investments away from the EU's reach.
     
  6. Samson

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    Man, I hope this does not become a thing: Wrexham vaccine plant evacuated over suspicious package

    A plant where doses of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine are produced and stored has been evacuated after receiving a suspicious package.
    Vaccine producer Wockhardt UK said: "Upon expert advice we have partially evacuated the site."
    First Minister Mark Drakeford said he was working with police and the military to find out more.
    The BBC understands that the bomb disposal unit is on site.
    John Roberts, who runs CMS Wrexham Ltd, next door to the plant, said he heard a "big bang" at about 11:35 GMT.
    "We're next door to Wockhardt. Three of us were talking then we heard a hell of an explosion or a bang," he said.
    "I went outside, couldn't see anything. I looked the other side and two blokes were on the roof.
    "The next thing the police had blocked off the road and were looking in the bushes."
     
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  7. Hrothbern

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    The curfew is already widely accepted or desired among the Dutch population with 80% of the opinon that it is acceptable.
    The 16% against a curfew are found in the populist rightwing, rightwing bible belt (SGP) and youth.
    https://www.ioresearch.nl/actueel/meer-moeite-met-een-gast-dan-met-avondklok/

    The reactions on the riots were imo devastating for the rioteers and the politicians who "encouraged" it on social media... before the tide changed and they squirm now in U-turns.
    I guess we will see some minor riots still for some days incl political disputes on the measure and rioteers, but the general reaction so far is that the curfew is only more solid in place. And that's good news. We need it with the British virus strain now around 30% of all new cases (from 8% two weeks ago)

    Also as reaction of the people helping the victims of the riots:
    From NOS:
     
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  8. EnglishEdward

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  9. Josu

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    Last week the managers of two hospitals from my hometown resigned from their position because media reported that they queue jump for getting the vaccine early than they were supposed to.
    A investigation was started in order to see what happened
    Today media reports that in one of those hospitals, 16 people who are not employee, got the vaccine: syndicalist who where at a meeting, priest, vending machine guy, couriers...
     
  10. r16

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    so it seems EU prepaid 339 million euros , planned for application , troubles in supply and 3 or 4 EU members have publicly called on the EU to find vaccines ... Yeah , Freeeeeeedooooooom . While Boris Johnson tells the people who lost like a hundred thousand of their loved ones that he shares their pain . Now not an ally of Donald Trump , too .
     
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  11. red_elk

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    Official plans in Russia is to release ~2 mln doses in "civil circulation" by the end of this month. Let's hope 600k doses for Argentina are counted separately.
    Government is strangely quiet about total number of vaccinated people. Latest reported numbers were two weeks ago.
    Though I can say that at least in Moscow getting vaccine is not a problem, it's free and there is no lines or shortages.
    Looks like people are simply not bother to get it. We need more volunteers!
     
  12. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    Is there any track of the number of dead from using the various vaccines?
    Given up to now the users are very old, it isn't that unexpected. Still, not entirely in the spirit of first doing no harm :devil:
     
  13. The_J

    The_J Say No 2 Net Validations Retired Moderator Supporter

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    All the deaths in Norway, which appeared after vaccinations, were judged as unrelated.
    I haven't seen any news from other countries, so can't be that much, I guess.
     
  14. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    up yours.
    Actually, it can be a less direct consequence of racism, as I posted a few weeks ago regarding minority doctors, in brief: underlying conditions such as poor coverage, chronic malnutrition, undiagnosed diseases and other such hallmarks of poverty will sho a racist slant when poverty can be tied to structural racism.

    So basically the race in question is an artificially weakened subgrouping of the human species.
    Well, yes, Oesterheld was ‘forcefully disappeared’ by a ‘task force’ back in the day when those who now rule the country were busy profiting off the dirty war and helping the disappearers in the first place.
    You're not posting from beyond the grave, are you?
     
  15. red_elk

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    No, I'm too young to die.
     
  16. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    I've just found out that the plane did finally set off last night but there was a slight error in their calculations. They're just going to bring 200,000 doses.

    Also interesting is that the quasi-president of Argentina said that it had been promised 4,700,000 doses. So far it has received 300,000. In the debates for the presidential election in Ecuador Correa's stooge candidate says that Argentina has promised Ecuador 4,400,000 doses. Of course it was denied immediately by everyone involved, but it does make one think, eh?
     
  17. red_elk

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    It's arithmetics of complex numbers.
    Argentina gets real part of the number, Ecuador the imaginary one.
     
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  18. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    up yours.
    a+bi, that kind of thing? Hmmmm, could be. It is, after all, the root of all negatives.
     
  19. EnglishEdward

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    @Takhisis

    Does Argentina have any capacity of its own to manufacture Covid vaccines?
     
  20. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    up yours.
    It does have a pharmaceutical industry. But it is not producing Covid-19 vaccines. Several decades of intentionally defunding anything but politicians' war chests tends to do that.
     
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