What evidence? The YouTube videos you've just provided? You've only just provided them!
Links to Israeli data posted in the last thread showing people who got covid do better vs delta than the vaccinated population.
Let's get this very clear. You repeatedly claim that the vaccine can hurt people (you did it again here, with your reply to Zelig by describing vaccinations as "medically unnecessary procedures that can hurt them").
People have been hurt by the vaccine or the manner it was delivered. Why is that misinformation?
You do so without any actual evidence of the dangers of the vaccine. You do not, ever, compare the theoretical dangers of any vaccine to the dangers of actually contracting Covid. You do not recognise long Covid in any of your use cases where you object to a vaccine mandate (of any description). You completely ignore the necessity for a high level of vaccinated individuals in order for the infection rate to come down.
And you ask me why I call your posts misinformation?
You need evidence people have been hurt by the vaccines? I thought that was well known, established science, fact. I've repeatedly said I got vaccinated based on comparing the relative dangers of covid to the vaccine. The vaccine will make it safer if I get covid. I dont see the necessity of vaccinating people who got covid, here's why -
The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to a large Israeli study that some scientists wish came with a “Don’t try this at home” label. The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19.
https://www.science.org/content/art...er-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital
You don't care about natural immunity. You got the vaccine yourself.
I didn't get covid so I cant depend on having natural immunity, thats why I got the vaccine.
Naturally immunity, to you, is just another tool in your ideological war against something that someone has "mandated". That's your objection. To a "mandate". It could be a mandate to eat breakfast as a part of a healthy daily routine and you'd object to it, because the problem is that it was mandated, not specifically what it was about (even if it's good for you). That's why you go down these rabbitholes of trying to twist available information into a use case to avoid having to take the vaccine.
Please stop dragging me into your crusade against the antivaxxers. Natural immunity is just science, Israeli studies showing covid survivors are better protected than vaccinated people is just science. Requiring them to get vaccinated is not science, its a medically unnecessary risk. I wonder what big pharma has to say on the subject.
"If you agree why require people with great immunity to take a vaccine they dont need?"
Because we don't know how long immunity lasts for, and the pandemic has been going for 18 months. I contracted Covid-19 near the very start of the UK pandemic, back in March 2020. I received the vaccine (both doses) by late August 2021. Do you know what natural immunity I still had at that stage? No, you don't. So it can't be used as an argument to avoid being vaccinated.
Longer than the vaccine apparently. I think you're fine, the study I saw said there was a robust response to 1 shot following covid and the 2nd didn't have much effect. My sister had covid followed by 2 shots. I think thats overdoing it but to each his own. I know you had natural immunity, how much aint really that important if its enough.
"How do you know anti-vaxxers didn't get covid already?"
Because nobody knows if all anti-vaxxers, everywhere, had Covid already or not. You don't know. Nobody knows. So it can't be used as an assumption that they have natural immunity and thus don't need the vaccine. It can be used, on an individual basis, to perhaps investigate what level of natural immunity your body still holds, but you cannot assume it protects an individual. Plus, you already got the vaccine, so you evidently don't actually believe it does. Otherwise why get the vaccine at all?
I wouldn't have gotten the vaccine if I got covid, but I didn't so the vaccine is better than nothing. Ofc I believe in natural immunity, I keep citing evidence its better than what I got with 2 shots. Most people will be honest about getting covid, I dont see why we should subject 100 million people to an unnecessary vaccine to convince somebody to take it.
The entire point of a vaccine is
it's not just for you. Even if it doesn't eliminate transmission, the entire point is to make
sure people don't suffer as much with Covid-19. Ideally, people would suffer far less. This would result in less disruption to medical services (both emergency and non-emergency). If people are still letting themselves get Covid, and are then going to hospital or wherever, that is something that could've been
prevented with a vaccine.
tl;dr:
you're full of nonsense.
You rely on absolutely no science, except whatever tidbits align with your anti-mandate crusade. This is why I call your posts misinformation, and it looks like I don't have to change that attitude anytime soon.
People who got covid are better protected vs delta than 2 shots of Pfizer. From your article:
A CDC report released in August found that
unvaccinated people who previously had COVID-19 were about 2.34 times more likely to get reinfected than vaccinated people who've had it.
Yes, getting covid followed by the vaccine will produce a more robust response than covid alone.
From my link:
The researchers also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated.
I already mentioned a few times 1 shot following covid provided a robust response. If this study was done on people who got covid over a year ago with other covid survivors who then got vaccinated I'd expect better protection with both.
Your article compares covid to covid + vaccine. No one is arguing that. The comparison is between people who got covid and vaccinated people who didn't. The vaccinated people with less protection are attacking the people with more protection and they do it while wearing a halo.