Coronavirus. The n(in)th sequel.
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Well, yes, but, while not sufficient, correct information is still a necessary factor for good policy. You have to know what to rule on if you want to rule at all.
I wish Bojo realised that.
Oh, for sure. But I'm more with Lexicus on the cat being out of the bag by that point, proverbially speaking.
amadeus
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On the chicoms: if we had known where the coronavirus had come from, I think we’d be seeing less of the of “just asking questions” skepticism.
On mandatory vaccines: think 150 years ago we would have let in a bunch of sickly people into the country when there was a scientifically-proven inoculation regime? Most adults then weren’t even allowed to vote. Old Johnny Law would have put the kibosh on this baloney.
On mandatory vaccines: think 150 years ago we would have let in a bunch of sickly people into the country when there was a scientifically-proven inoculation regime? Most adults then weren’t even allowed to vote. Old Johnny Law would have put the kibosh on this baloney.
You've dragged my attention to this point:
amadeus understands that being alive is a necessary requirement for being free.
This won't be true, especially with Delta
- We can set a minimum reasonable standard for 'danger' that someone else poses, but that's about it. To the best of my understanding, someone who's fought off the infection is a lower risk than someone who got double-vaccinated. It makes no sense to deprive that person of liberty, especially if it's too easy to see the 'reasoning' as just a doily to cover regressive desires.
- Most broadly, each vaccinated person has a percent chance that they're actually dangerous at the time where their rights are being impeded upon. It will be some ten day period in a function with whatever chance there is that they're asymptomatic. It's detaining someone for what they might be. There's an expedience argument that we might have no choice, but the bias will always have to be towards minimizing the impingement, not justifying whatever arbitrary impingement makes the most-scared person feel safe.
BeauJo.
But more seriously:
I'm living through the failure of such measures. Not least because, humans being humans, there's always someone who'll break the rules just to break them.
Covid-19 has OFFICIALLY killed 1 in 500 Americans
That's just official deaths. There is excess mortality. There are the people suffering from COVID complications, which can in the worst cases, basically be dead, being almost brain dead. Tons of long COVID.
Yet we still have all these brain dead takes from the Death Cultists. No, it's not an experimental vaccine. It's gone through the full testing process and has been given to BILLIONS of people. Billions. Most medicines never reach that number across their entire product lifetime. And there are non mRNA vaccines available.
The entire global economy is still limping by, waiting for this pandemic to end. The selfish anti-vaxxers are burning billion-dollar bills every day and laughing.
In terms of the hot spots, the Deep South is slowly tapering off in terms of cases, with the hotspots now migrating more to the Upper South. Tennesse, West Virginia, Kentucky, Southern Ohio. Other areas have hotspots as well, like Wyoming and Alaska.
That's just official deaths. There is excess mortality. There are the people suffering from COVID complications, which can in the worst cases, basically be dead, being almost brain dead. Tons of long COVID.
Yet we still have all these brain dead takes from the Death Cultists. No, it's not an experimental vaccine. It's gone through the full testing process and has been given to BILLIONS of people. Billions. Most medicines never reach that number across their entire product lifetime. And there are non mRNA vaccines available.
The entire global economy is still limping by, waiting for this pandemic to end. The selfish anti-vaxxers are burning billion-dollar bills every day and laughing.
In terms of the hot spots, the Deep South is slowly tapering off in terms of cases, with the hotspots now migrating more to the Upper South. Tennesse, West Virginia, Kentucky, Southern Ohio. Other areas have hotspots as well, like Wyoming and Alaska.
Lexicus
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This makes them sound cooler than they are
amadeus
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For some perspective, that’s nine times the battle death rate of Operation Desert Storm (1 in 4500)
Also less than half as dangerous as the 1989 invasion of Panama (1 in 1180)
How about the most dangerous job, with 33 times the average work fatality rate in the in the U.S.—loggermen? 1 in 900.
Also less than half as dangerous as the 1989 invasion of Panama (1 in 1180)
How about the most dangerous job, with 33 times the average work fatality rate in the in the U.S.—loggermen? 1 in 900.
FriendlyFire
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Covid is fake until, they have it, are being hit hard and now suddenly the reports that 99% of the dying being unvaccinated rings alarm bells
With the vaccine no longer an option, they are desperate for any cure. Since the hive mind tells them that horse dewormer is the solution that works thats good enough for them.
That whom they trust.
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FriendlyFire
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What a smart
innonimatu
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You are aware that things will go badly in Australia despite vaccines? Living with covid is a terrible idea.
Abut the US, it seems that everything covid is going through the same social/political fights and biases that permeate society there. Take masking: the servants are mandated to wear them, the wealthy not? No way to handle a pandemic effectively in such a society.
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Has that been verified with studies? There was some concern that some of the benefit against spreading it while vaccinated was offset by the increased chances of being asymptomatic or not recognizing that what a person has is COVID while still capable of spreading it. I would be interested in what the numbers say for this, if we have them.
So is individual choice wrt assumption of one's own risk.
Snowygerry
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That's only if you live in a banana republic - here is how it should be
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Lexicus
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Individual choice wrt assumption of one's own risk is a meaningless phrase with a pandemic virus spreading. Your risk depends on the behavior of other people. You live in a society. I know you hate this but it is nonetheless true.
There are some good points in here. I for one think it's very interesting how people put AOC on a pedestal and expect her not to act like a liberal...
Lexicus
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I mean, I'm an advocate of "never make someone your personal hero" / "don't put people on pedestals", but what about attending the Met Gala makes her liberal? The only takes I've seen on this have been purely bad-faith conservative gotchas, like "if she was a socialist why does she spend money on dresses", or similar. At this point I'd take any other perspective
Personally, I completely agree (looking at the Substack piece) that folks should be masking up where possible, and that there is a double standard in enforcing it (well, not in the UK anymore but hey that's a different topic), but I also know not everyone agrees with how useful masks are. That said, it manages to completely ignore a well-made point about sporting events, where contact is also rife (and these are allowed). The problem, to me, isn't of "elites" vs. whatever non-"elites" are called. It's how capitalism dictates mandates such as these and their enforcement. Sports is allowed because sports makes money. Support for people isolating and not able to work? Nope, get back out on the job (this, again, has happened here in the UK).
By isolating the issue to focus solely on "elites", it paints a skewed picture of the actual problem.
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