Dawn of Civilization - an RFC modmod by Leoreth
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So having played my first game as the Indonesians (till the late 18th century) I have some notes:
I missed the first goal by quite a long way. In 1300ad, Japan of all civs had the highest population with a very large city in the Phillipines, and a size 15 Kyoto. On top of this many of their cities seemed too large. I need to have another go, but for me the aim seemed unobtainable, as also India and Arabia had very large populations. It might be worth giving Indonesian cities a free harbour, which would make the eastern parts of the archipellago more desirable, at the moment these are almost worthless because a harbour takes 50-odd turns to build, and also allow faster population growth.
The second goal was very fun in that I could only really control about 5 luxuries of my own. China had collapsed and Japan/Khmer/Korea didnt have anything to trade so I had to buy all the rest from India. In order to do this I had to reduce my science to 0% and give them literally all my gold (32pt for Ivory!). After 1500 I was very much behind in tech, and some of my units had been disbanded due to bankruptcy/plague. Then Khmer conquered my city in I think the location of Singapore.
If the Dutch had arrived at this point it would have been chaos, but sadly they still haven't arrived and it is now almost 1800ad. In fact there's been hardly any colonisation at all, and only the French have any pressence in Asia (Shanghai). Another thing which never arrived is Islam, which has spread to Mexico City but not to anywhere in South East Asia.
Finally I think their UU and UB are pretty useless and don't really help with achieve their goals at all, and Indonesia could maybe use a rice somwhere, as the resource is totally absent from the entire area.
Also when they respawned Persia had a -32 diplo penalty for having the wrong religion. Is it meant to be so high?!
I missed the first goal by quite a long way. In 1300ad, Japan of all civs had the highest population with a very large city in the Phillipines, and a size 15 Kyoto. On top of this many of their cities seemed too large. I need to have another go, but for me the aim seemed unobtainable, as also India and Arabia had very large populations. It might be worth giving Indonesian cities a free harbour, which would make the eastern parts of the archipellago more desirable, at the moment these are almost worthless because a harbour takes 50-odd turns to build, and also allow faster population growth.
The second goal was very fun in that I could only really control about 5 luxuries of my own. China had collapsed and Japan/Khmer/Korea didnt have anything to trade so I had to buy all the rest from India. In order to do this I had to reduce my science to 0% and give them literally all my gold (32pt for Ivory!). After 1500 I was very much behind in tech, and some of my units had been disbanded due to bankruptcy/plague. Then Khmer conquered my city in I think the location of Singapore.
If the Dutch had arrived at this point it would have been chaos, but sadly they still haven't arrived and it is now almost 1800ad. In fact there's been hardly any colonisation at all, and only the French have any pressence in Asia (Shanghai). Another thing which never arrived is Islam, which has spread to Mexico City but not to anywhere in South East Asia.
Finally I think their UU and UB are pretty useless and don't really help with achieve their goals at all, and Indonesia could maybe use a rice somwhere, as the resource is totally absent from the entire area.
Also when they respawned Persia had a -32 diplo penalty for having the wrong religion. Is it meant to be so high?!
ilduce349
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Pakistan is tolerant? 
ilduce349
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Its not uncommon to see Hinduism/Buddhism there, at least it wasn't in RFC vanilla...
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Considering that the Seljuk are going to be added (they will also replace non state religions) and that Lahore is going to be found by the ghorids ( who will get Islamic missionary on spawn) there's a high chance there wont be any Buddhism, Zoroastrianism and hinduism left.
ilduce349
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I've been thinking about China.
China had a massive tech lead on the Europeans prior to the Mongol conquests. Maybe a suitable Unique Power would be the Power of the Scholars:
+25% science prior to the Renaissance. This would give China to colossal tech lead it deserves...
In theory the Mongol spawn should make the nation collapse, and when it respawns it will have lost its tech lead and lack the science rate to compete with the European powers...
Thoughts?
China had a massive tech lead on the Europeans prior to the Mongol conquests. Maybe a suitable Unique Power would be the Power of the Scholars:
+25% science prior to the Renaissance. This would give China to colossal tech lead it deserves...
In theory the Mongol spawn should make the nation collapse, and when it respawns it will have lost its tech lead and lack the science rate to compete with the European powers...
Thoughts?
ilduce349
(Financial, Philo)
So nobody else wants to see Chinese Musketmen on the Mongol spawn?
@Adien: There are probably some civs which have similar UPs as it is.
@Adien: There are probably some civs which have similar UPs as it is.
Would be good. I only did the most obvious ones that appear in almost every game, like Sundapura -> Jayakarta and Tumasik -> Singapura.I'm still researching for some of the cities..
Like Vijayapura, the precursor to modern Brunei..
I'm thinking about the era-based city change.. what do you think?
If you agree I'll get the list soon
I think the Khmer spawn that early to represent all those peoples you mentioned.
We can, it's actually very easy to do this using my recent changes to the respawn mechanism. If this would actually translate into a good game is another question.
Good point. Although in my opinion some antagonism should remain to spice diplomacy up a bit. But it's annoying to always have one civ hate you as Korea between Confucian China and Buddhist Japan.
So I'll do it as follows: Confucianism and Taoism are friendly towards each other, but the benefit is halved.
Buddhism is hostile to Confucianism, Taoism and Hinduism, but the penalty is halved.
Might work. Depends on how much the improved terrain already helps China, which depends on how much I'm actually improving
No need to have this as UP, it can be done regardless
1) They'll definitely be added, but I'm not sure if as minor, unplayable major or proper civ.
2) I'll definitely work on China and use your suggestion as a source, but I don't know yet how much of it I'll copy.
Some of the late starters have hidden bonuses (USA has several, like the greek UP for example) in addition to their own, to compensate for their late start (less culture, less buildings in cities, economy not at its height etc...), but China is an early starter so it wouldn't make sense.
But perhaps you mean changing the tech speed modifiers which (I think) exist, and where you could hurry their tech rate while keeping their current UP.
Except for that and unless I'm mistaken, all civs have different (not similar) UP's right now.
Edit : Leoreth got there before me
But perhaps you mean changing the tech speed modifiers which (I think) exist, and where you could hurry their tech rate while keeping their current UP.
Except for that and unless I'm mistaken, all civs have different (not similar) UP's right now.
Edit : Leoreth got there before me
ilduce349
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How do you mod the tech rates per nation?
Only if you can mod C++.
ilduce349
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So no way I could do it...
Lead isn't heavily used in Ayurveda, the lead taint is from greed
I was planning to use Ayurveda as a catchall for Indian medicineI could see Mughals -> Pakistan, but why do people always think there's continuity from the Delhi Sultanate to the Mughals? The Mughals were descendants of the Timurids who took Northern India from them by force.
Acupuncture is incredibly relaxing!
And just because some Ayurveda practices are bogus one shouldn't discredit the significance it has on Indian medicine. More pressing problems are: how to call an institution where Ayurveda is practiced and which building should it replace?
But I could imagine that a colonial rule that disrupts the traditional order of society won't get the same results from the land as its natives.
Here's how my India looks like in 3000 BC:
Spoiler :
(that picture is still missing one gem resource 1S of Varanasi)
The swamp at the Indus will disappear in 0 AD and all desert tiles there get flood plains. This is how the map already starts in 600 AD.
Nice, also India needs more rivers!
It also had people study from an early age their professions, even if you don't like your profession if you start learning 5-8 you will be very good at it later, also the caste system caused the formation of sreni which very much helped India.
How about in addition to the major boosts to specialists India also gets -33% or -50% GP points? I think that would balance it out.
India also was quite advanced, Britain was jacking technology from India at the close of the 18th century.
Maybe the Romans, Inca and India could get Imperial roads which are faster than regular roads to symbolize their awesome roads?
ilduce349
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I can guarentee you Britain imported more tech then exported from India...
Also India's roads were good?
Also India's roads were good?
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