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You can make them obsolete.
Dawn of Civilization - an RFC modmod by Leoreth
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Oh, of course. I guess a technology somewhere between steam power and refrigeration would cause it then, because that's when the spice trade of old died out. Assuming this idea is implemented...
Just found a great feature that would make a great add to this mod, on the RoM : AND mod :
"Surround and Destroy
Surround and Destroy gives attack bonuses for surrounding enemy forces. The more units you have around and enemy, the larger the bonus, up to the maximum of 60%. Particularly useful for sieging medieval cities."
The Civ 4 battle system is a bit lame IMO (obviously it's not the most important part of Civ), and I think that this would make military strategy a bit more complex than it is now.
"Surround and Destroy
Surround and Destroy gives attack bonuses for surrounding enemy forces. The more units you have around and enemy, the larger the bonus, up to the maximum of 60%. Particularly useful for sieging medieval cities."
The Civ 4 battle system is a bit lame IMO (obviously it's not the most important part of Civ), and I think that this would make military strategy a bit more complex than it is now.
Good point actually, but how should Italy get access to silk route resources?
Babylonia hardly ever collapses before the Assyrian Empire even fell. It's better to view Babylonia as a representative for all Mesopotamian polities.
Yes, I'll preplace some cities for them. I've noticed the weird AI behavior as well, and thought an AI change would've fixed this. @Linkman: I'll have a look at it but iirc I've increased the divisor to 10.
They need the forests for the cathedral UHV goal. It's already difficult enough as is. Maybe I can do something about the terrain, but actually China's main problem is that it doesn't conquers its southern provinces (I'll fix this with a free flip for the AI) and doesn't start with workers.
Yeah, but I don't know exactly where to place Nanjing. 1S of Qufu? Or on the dye?
I won't change the terrain. I also see no problem with Mudanjiang, it's better Korea holds Manchuria than an early Japan.
Me too, not sure what's up there currently. Maybe an ID mixup.
I see Arabia conquer Persia very often. It depends on the capital they end up with, though. Baghdad -> Persian conquest, Cairo -> Maghreb expansion. I'm fine with that.
I don't see your point, you do have a French-English antagonism there.
Chola would hold three cities at most, and that's including a pointless city on Ceylon.
Definitely not the case.
Welcome back!
India will definitely get buffed (it's kind of mandatory now with more civs popping up there).
The combat system will not be visited before 1.9, though.
The two historical corporation have an expire date. The silk road starts disappearing in 1500, the trading company in 1800.
Open borders with either Byzantium or Arabia.
Which ones?
Giving them workers and free flip sound good. Here are two more things you can implement:
- Remove some of the mountains (specifically the one 2 directly east of Xian and two two tiles south of Xian)
-Add one or two extra food resources on appropriate spots (Central China or anywhere for that matter)
On the dye; then move dye to Qufu's spot.
Neither Japan nor Korea should have it; I wanted the Koreans to be like a 2 citiy civ (brings something unique to the game).
The camel Archers did spawn in Baghdad; thats why central Asia is conquered in the picture above.
Firstly I would like to point out that the Arabian capital does not change from Mecca even though the troops spawns are fine. Secondy I have never seen Arabia fully settle Maghreb (pre 1200 Ad); Tunis was as far as they went and that was only a had full of games).
There are a few things wrong with the Arab conquests:
1) These two cities are founded 80%: Aswan (sometimes Khartoum on the other side of the Nile) and Rasht.
2) Tripoli and Benghazi usually get razed.
3) Arabs sometimes conquer Persia (40%) while it should be more like 70-80%.
What usually happens with the Arabs when they spawn at Cairo they usually conquer Benghazi and sent the rest of their troops to Anatolia (which means that there is almost never an expansion into the Magherib; on the contrary they almost always lost Libya too. If they spawn at Baghdad there is a chance that the Arabs will go for Persia but sometimes they send their troops to Anatolia and many a times they just found Rasht and go for Central asia without touching Persia.
IMO, the best solution to this is to just spawn the Arab troops 3 tiles East of Baghad (which were supposed to spawn there) and tone down the ahistorical Impi and Elephant invasions of N. Africa. Also if u think that the Arabs might become overpowered just add the Seljuk invasion; the Mongol invasion is already there the seljuks will definitely stop the Arabs from becoming overpowered
Could it be that the culture from the holy city makes the Shiraz's borders pop too much, so that the Arabian AI doesn't 'see' the city and thus cannot arrange an attack towards it. Maybe the Indie cities' borders should not be allowed to pop beyond the BFC. Culture could still pile up though.
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Originally I wanted Korea to be like a one city challenge, especially with regards to the UHV. However now I've decided that a stronger Korea adds quite a bit to the dynamics of Asia, and I'm happy with them as they are. I do still think a one-city challenge would be intreresting, but my new favourite candidate for this position is (Ancient) Israel. Although I accept it might be difficult to make them work as a civ. Very excited about the new Asia that's emerging. With essentially three new civs, plus respwans on the way I think it will be a whole new game in the East.
I don't think Assyria should replace Babylon, we already have two civs that are supposed to invade Egypt and Anatolia, Persia and Arabia, another one is unncessary and I like that Babylon fills a different role in the game.
I don't think Assyria should replace Babylon, we already have two civs that are supposed to invade Egypt and Anatolia, Persia and Arabia, another one is unncessary and I like that Babylon fills a different role in the game.
Not sure, I think Kashgar and either Turfan or Dunhuang.
What? Do you have a screenshot for this?
As far as I know, the AI knows the whole map when evaluating these things.
Yeah, it's really not that lackluster anymore compared to Europe.
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Welcome back!
India will definitely get buffed (it's kind of mandatory now with more civs popping up there).
The combat system will not be visited before 1.9, though.
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The two historical corporation have an expire date. The silk road starts disappearing in 1500, the trading company in 1800.
Thanks. Good to know India is getting buffed, I've taken to modifying the map for it when I get involved there. And I'll keep my ideas on the combat system ready and waiting. Also, those dates look good to me...
Now, I got the latest revision for the mod, SVN checkout and all, and I tried to start a game as China in 600 AD. However, I was instantly defeated by a lack of anything spawning at all, only Byzantium was one the map (and red, too). Any idea as to what caused this? I'm pretty sure this has happened before, a few months back.
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This indicates the presence of a python bug, usually syntax.
Try turning on python exceptions
Try turning on python exceptions
Can't reproduce. Do you have Python exceptions enabled?
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Not at the moment. I'm working on it though.
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Playing as Japan, latest SVN version, I keep getting a CTD every time I end my turn in 1914. Save attached. View attachment Tokugawa AD-1914 Turn 404.CivBeyondSwordSave
Edit: Rev. 115 I mean, I just realized revisions 116 and 117 have been committed in the last few hours.
Edit: Rev. 115 I mean, I just realized revisions 116 and 117 have been committed in the last few hours.
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Just played as Indonesia on the latest version of the SVN, I have a few things to note.
The silk road cities were all Arabic, the Mongols had none.
The embassies were broken, i could build them for dead civs and ones i was yet to meet.
For a while i could only build settlers in my capital (this may be me going crazy)
With the Indonesians taking up a lot of land which would otherwise be theirs perhaps the UHV might need to be made easier.
The silk road cities were all Arabic, the Mongols had none.
The embassies were broken, i could build them for dead civs and ones i was yet to meet.
For a while i could only build settlers in my capital (this may be me going crazy)
With the Indonesians taking up a lot of land which would otherwise be theirs perhaps the UHV might need to be made easier.
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Your not making sense, what so bad about having the Chola Dynasty have two cities in South India, One city in East India and one city in Ceylon (Sri Lanka). IMO Sri Lanka should be buffed up a bit, so that its actually worth making a city there. I still don't understand why you are so against an earlier Indian spawn in 848 AD, rather than waiting all the way until the 18th century for the Marathas, who do not make any sense without the Mughals.
And when I say Chola, they only start off as the Chola, representing all Hindu Kingdoms in Souther India, they would just change their dynamic names. But whats great about the Chola is that they would challenge the Srivijaya, who are currently without an enemy. You could start them off with bad relations, and have the Chola be given a good sized starting fleet. It would be very interesting in the end.
Also I too think that its because of the Holy City increasing the borders of Shiraz that the Arab AI does not capture the city. Zoroastrianism does not need a Holy City in 600 AD as there is no civ that has a sizable population that still practices the religion. Even in Persia it was on its way down. On that note you need to respread Catholicism around the Middle East, in Egypt and the Levant, as there were sizable Christian populations, that were bigger than the Muslim population well up until the 9th century AD.
Your not making sense, what so bad about having the Chola Dynasty have two cities in South India, One city in East India and one city in Ceylon (Sri Lanka). IMO Sri Lanka should be buffed up a bit, so that its actually worth making a city there. I still don't understand why you are so against an earlier Indian spawn in 848 AD, rather than waiting all the way until the 18th century for the Marathas, who do not make any sense without the Mughals.
And when I say Chola, they only start off as the Chola, representing all Hindu Kingdoms in Souther India, they would just change their dynamic names. But whats great about the Chola is that they would challenge the Srivijaya, who are currently without an enemy. You could start them off with bad relations, and have the Chola be given a good sized starting fleet. It would be very interesting in the end.
Also I too think that its because of the Holy City increasing the borders of Shiraz that the Arab AI does not capture the city. Zoroastrianism does not need a Holy City in 600 AD as there is no civ that has a sizable population that still practices the religion. Even in Persia it was on its way down. On that note you need to respread Catholicism around the Middle East, in Egypt and the Levant, as there were sizable Christian populations, that were bigger than the Muslim population well up until the 9th century AD.
lol, I read this line three times, very well worded
But yes I agree with you, having them spawn earlier would be much, much better.
I could end my turn without problems. So I guess that was a hardware related crash.
Only settlers in your capital would be very weird. Screenshot when it comes up again
I already know about the embassy problem. And I hope the silk road gets distributed better when Mongols get better access to silk.You mean for the Khmer?
I'm not against it, I'm just not in favor of it. Also, I'm very certain that if I added them, you'd be in here the other day complaining that they founded city XYZ which is ahistorical. Chola is a local power with only local impact. Those usually end up independent.
Also, something you shouldn't forget, is when we're talking about SVN versions, it's not meant to be a final product. Packaged releases can be held up to that claim. I've stated explicitly that I intend to add the Mughals, so stop pretending the Marathas are ruined forever just because I didn't make the effort to include the Mughals yet.
It's still not the case.
Ah okay, you're playing as them. The capital flip is AI only
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