Dawn of Civilization - an RFC modmod by Leoreth
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Oh, didn't notice that. Well then, destroying Cuzco then? Let all be in the name of modernization..
Cuzco still an important city in Peru..
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Can you please post the city name proposal on my CNM development thread? Though it is still new and haven't produced anything yet
Currently I just had only add names from the Community CNM by Nody etc..
Leoreth,
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Leoreth, I don't know if you're out there listening or not.
But in my recent France game, I was not beaten to Liberalism by Super-Greece or China, who were my main tech competitors.
I'm fairly certain I was beaten to Liberalism by Corea.
Who promptly collapsed under Mongol pressure.
But in my recent France game, I was not beaten to Liberalism by Super-Greece or China, who were my main tech competitors.
I'm fairly certain I was beaten to Liberalism by Corea.
Who promptly collapsed under Mongol pressure.
What exactly is Daibul? I can't find any reference to it on the interenet. I would instead recommend using a city that was conquered by Muslim invaders in the Sindh, such as one of the ones from SoI.
Why does the Turks 2nd UHV not include Greece, or Algera/Tunisia?
Also don't you think having 4 wonders in Istanbul is a bit too fast to be done by 1550?
And finally, can you please remove the rock from underneath, Tisfun/Bagdad, it looks really bad, and its annoying that you can't build a quarry on it. Also please remove Islam from Samarkand, as Arabia spawns without Islam, hence making the existance of Samarkand awfully awkward, especially considering the times when Arabia does not conquer Central Asia, and Islam does not spread there. In my opinion, it should spawn in Kashgar sometime around the 10th century.
Look here for more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashgar#The_Arab_Caliphate
And finally, why on earth do the Mughals spawn in 1210 AD??
PS. Ya, lolol the Mongols were twice the first people to find Liberalism, instead of the English or French, which was a tad funny/annoying : P
Why does the Turks 2nd UHV not include Greece, or Algera/Tunisia?
Also don't you think having 4 wonders in Istanbul is a bit too fast to be done by 1550?
And finally, can you please remove the rock from underneath, Tisfun/Bagdad, it looks really bad, and its annoying that you can't build a quarry on it. Also please remove Islam from Samarkand, as Arabia spawns without Islam, hence making the existance of Samarkand awfully awkward, especially considering the times when Arabia does not conquer Central Asia, and Islam does not spread there. In my opinion, it should spawn in Kashgar sometime around the 10th century.
Look here for more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashgar#The_Arab_Caliphate
And finally, why on earth do the Mughals spawn in 1210 AD??
PS. Ya, lolol the Mongols were twice the first people to find Liberalism, instead of the English or French, which was a tad funny/annoying : P
Daibul is the Arabic name for Debal; It was the most important port ciy in Sindh up until modern times. It was one of the first cities conquered by Muhammad bin Qasim on his expedition to Sind. The city is now part of Karachi.
Heres the wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debal
@ Leoreth, what is the exact definition of the Eastern Mediterranean for the purpose of the UHV?
@ The Turk, its not supposed to be easy, just possible but if Leoreth does decide to move it back, I reccomend that he move the 2nd UHV to an earlier date as 1700 is a bit late imo.
As far as Kashgar is concerned, Leoreth, instead of having it on 600 ad can you spread Islam to Central Asia in the 10th century to the cities not conquered by the Arabs. This makes sense since trade played a more important part of spreading Islam to Central asia than conquest (atleast for some parts).
Because they also represent the Delhi Sultanate.
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I thought it was an intentional feature that the Arab UHV only required like two Maghreb and one Spanish city. That's partly why I had earlier called it a dud.
Well, can you explain to me how you can have an Arabic name for a city, before the Arabs even get there. Also has the article says, the city was administered, by Mansura and laterr Thatta, so why not just have Thatta as the city, and later rename it Karachi. That makes the most sense.
Ok... but can you explain to me how the Mughals = Delhi Sultanate? They have nothing in common, except that they were both Muslim. This needs to be revised, as it is dreadfully wrong. Also the fact that the "Delhi Sultanate" is able to capture Southern India so easily, needs to also be quickly revised, with stronger independents, as well as a nerfing of the "Delhi Sultanate" who IMO would be better represented as an independent state (like the original Byzantines)
PS. Leoreth, does Ottoman Konstatinyye change its name in 1900's to Istanbul, like Edo to Tokyo?
Leoreth decided it, thus it is.
You don't have to conquer a city to have a name for it. Arab traders had been trading all along the Indian Ocean centuries before Islam. To answer your second question, Mansura is too far inland and does not have a modern day equivalent; Thatta on the other hand is near the coast but not exactly on it so it is possible but I don't see a reason why Debal is a bad choice since the city is a direct predecessor of Karachi unlike Thatta, and has been the main port of the Sindh for centuries.
By saying that the Delhi Sultanate has nothing in common with the Mughal Empire is an absurd statement. The religion (Sunni Islam), culture, language (use of Persian and Turkic languages) ethnicity (Turkish Dynasties), way of rule was extremely similar. It was infact the nobility and the general of the Delhi Sultanate that invited "Babar" to overthrow Ibrahim Lodhi; had it not been the defect of large number of troops at the Battle of Panipat, the Mughal Empire would not have been established. The Delhi Sultanate had as much in common as the various dynasties of India, China, Egypt, Persia, Arabia, Greece had with each other.
@ Leoreth, I do think that the Mughals need a serious tech nerf; they are usually as advanced as the Europeans which was not the case. It might have been true of the Chinese but I do not know of any significant advantages made by the Delhi Sultanate or the Mughals in the various fields of science or their adoption of those things except in the case of gunpowder. I also usually see tons of Mughal caravals by the 1600s, as far as i know the Mughal navy was very insignificant and meagre as demanstrated by the Mugal-Portuguese encounters in the Indian Ocean.
TheMarshmallowBear
Benelovent Chieftain of the Ursu Kingdom
I'm pretty sure I've asked this before, but does Hotseat work by any chance, it would've been such an imporvement.
How about we get an India respawn as the Maratha to fight with Mughals so that India is temporarily held behind in technology? Then when one gains the upper hand it catches up in technology.
PS The Maratha Navy gave the British a run for their money
What J. Pride said - I initially was wary of this city as well because the references to it are rare, but out of the Sindhi cities it makes most sense because it has continuity to the most important modern Sindhi city.
It does, Greece and Tunisia are at the coast of the Eastern Mediterranean, aren't they? Algeria is not in, but Ottoman control there wasn't that strong anyway.
Remember that at least in 600 AD Konstantinoupolis already has two wonders. So you're encouraged to move your capital there, and building two wonders isn't that much of a problem if you can get at least one GE (I've completed the historical route with Topkapi Palace and Blue Mosque, but Sankore would've also been an option).
Delhi Sultanate. You should try to rid yourself of a dynastic perception of civilizations. They represent Muslim India in its various incarnations: Delhi, Mughals, Pakistan.
How large was their empire at this point?
That actually makes no sense at all, because Thatta and Karachi are completely different cities.
They don't.
Yes.
Only by using the "cycle through civs" cheat: enable cheat mode by entering cheatmode=chipotle into your config file and then press Alt+Z ingame.
I can reduce their naval focus. But how large are they when they get so advanced? Usually the Mughal AI only takes over the Deccan very slowly now.
Forgot to answer that one: everything east of the straits of Sicily, excluding the Adriatic Sea. I also didn't count the Italian tiles although they actually should.
MuppyP
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Just played this modmod for the first time as Rome. Here are my observations.
*I like the unique Dawn of Man texts, they add some flavour to the game.
*A lot of the Civilopedia texts are missing, are they going to be added? Same with leader texts, when the Phoenican leader contacted me she said nothing. (also, what horny male did made that leaderhead =/)
*The UP didn't trigger although I did declare war on Greece and Egypt.
*Greece owns a city in Central Asia for some reason.
*Babylon apparently founded Zoroastrianism, Persia didn't even have it at my spawn. Is this supposed to happen?
*The new UHV screen looks good, nice job.
*I like the unique Dawn of Man texts, they add some flavour to the game.
*A lot of the Civilopedia texts are missing, are they going to be added? Same with leader texts, when the Phoenican leader contacted me she said nothing. (also, what horny male did made that leaderhead =/)
*The UP didn't trigger although I did declare war on Greece and Egypt.
*Greece owns a city in Central Asia for some reason.
*Babylon apparently founded Zoroastrianism, Persia didn't even have it at my spawn. Is this supposed to happen?
*The new UHV screen looks good, nice job.
So why not instead use unique names, to call the "Mughals", "The Delhi Sultanate" when they spawn, and then later change the name to "The Mughal Empire". Does that not sound like a better plan anyway?
Also, yes you are right Leoreth, in saying that Debal (Daibul) has very little mention of it anywhere, so why not use Thatta? Shift the city one tile to the East, lower its defense, and I'm sure the Arabs will capture it more often.
Also can you please spread Buddhism to central asia, and then have it repealed, once the Arabs have captured those cities, like what happens with the ex-Byzantine cities once the Ottomans arrive. It makes more sense that way.
Also having Islam in Kashgar that early, as I stated earlier is a terrible idea.
And finally when will you be adding Orthodoxy, because it can't be "that" hard to include it, is it? Because currently playing as the Russians, Turks, Arabs, its annoying to realize that you are part of the Apopolistic palace. Also are there any plans to limit German growth too far into Eastern Europe/Russia pre-WW2?
Also, yes you are right Leoreth, in saying that Debal (Daibul) has very little mention of it anywhere, so why not use Thatta? Shift the city one tile to the East, lower its defense, and I'm sure the Arabs will capture it more often.
Also can you please spread Buddhism to central asia, and then have it repealed, once the Arabs have captured those cities, like what happens with the ex-Byzantine cities once the Ottomans arrive. It makes more sense that way.
Also having Islam in Kashgar that early, as I stated earlier is a terrible idea.
And finally when will you be adding Orthodoxy, because it can't be "that" hard to include it, is it? Because currently playing as the Russians, Turks, Arabs, its annoying to realize that you are part of the Apopolistic palace. Also are there any plans to limit German growth too far into Eastern Europe/Russia pre-WW2?
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