Egypt - Antiquity Age Civilization Discussion

[Jkchart]

My actual favorite Egypt change is that we’ve moved away from the War Chariot (Maryannu) and finally get to have a different Egyptian unique unit. Medjay is a good choice.

 

[thecrazyscot]

We could also add what future civ choices are tied to the civ? Although I think this is the only one we actually know so far

 

[Thenewwwguy]

My actual favorite Egypt change is that we’ve moved away from the War Chariot (Maryannu) and finally get to have a different Egyptian unique unit. Medjay is a good choice.

Assassin’s Creed Origins Intensifies

 

[Zaarin]

Assassin’s Creed Origins Intensifies

The only one I've played! ...for two hours before the fact it was Assassin's Creed settled in and I moved on to other things.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

The only one I've played! ...for two hours before the fact it was Assassin's Creed settled in and I moved on to other things.

do the medjay become the assassins in the exploration era?

 

[TheSpaceCowboy]

If spies were making a return, I would have preferred Medjay to be that with a bonus to assassination missions, but espionage probably isn’t even a mechanic until the Exploration or Modern Age

 

[Thenewwwguy]

If spies were making a return, I would have preferred Medjay to be that with a bonus to assassination missions, but espionage probably isn’t even a mechanic until the Exploration or Modern Age

another knock-down effect of the new system is not being able to get these things early without it being absolutely broken, i suppose.

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

What is Medjay actually? a kinda conscript?
And how to pronounce it? 'Met-Jei', 'Met-Jaai' (long vowels of '-a-')

 

[Zaarin]

What is Medjay actually? a kinda conscript?
And how to pronounce it? 'Met-Jei', 'Met-Jaai' (long vowels of '-a-')

It's an elite police force originally from Nubia. And the Egyptological pronunciation is "meh-jye" rhyming with rye. /mɛʤai̯/

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

It's an elite police force originally from Nubia. And the Egyptological pronunciation is "meh-jye" rhyming with rye. /mɛʤai̯/

When I first heard Potato McWhiskey saying it, I thought he was saying magi.

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

It's an elite police force originally from Nubia. And the Egyptological pronunciation is "meh-jye" rhyming with rye. /mɛʤai̯/

Egyptian Shinsengumi or Blackshirts huh?

it is quite a funny that elite cops became simple footsoldiers here. in previous game War chariot (can't remember the actual egyptian term for it) is a UU.

and pronounciation is 'Meh-Jai'?

 

[Dale]

Egypt - Antiquity Age Civilization

Kemet, the fertile band of the Nile floodplain, is the heart of ancient Egypt. Its over five thousand years of history have been sustained by the river and the life-giving silt that it leaves, building layers of trade, conquest, and the monuments to immortality that were its wonders. Its riches were legendary – and tempting. Egypt fell to Persia in 525 BC, but the Nile still flows.

Unique Ability

• Gifts of Osiris: Increased Production on Navigable Rivers.

Attributes:

• Cultural
• Economic

Civic Trees

Arrival of Hapi

• Tier 1: Unlock the Mortuary Temple Unique Infrastructure. Minor Rivers do not end Unit movement. Unlocks 'Akhet' Tradition.
• Tradition - Akhet: Increased Food on Navigable Rivers.

Scales of Anubis

• Tier 1: Unlock the Mastaba Unique Infrastructure. Medjay Units generate Gold when stationed in a Settlement you own. Unlocks 'Riches of the Duat' Tradition.
• Tradition - Riches of the Duat: Increased Production towards Wonders.

Light of Amun-Ra

• Tier 1: Increased Gold on the Palace. Increased Settlement Limit. Unlocks 'Kemet' Tradition and Pyramids Wonder.
• Tradition - Kemet: Increased Culture on Navigable Rivers.

Unique Infrastructure

• Necropolis (Quarter): Gain Gold every time a Wonder is completed in this City.
• Mastaba (Tomb): Culture base. Gold adjacency for Desert tiles.
• Mortuary Temple: Gold base. Happiness adjacency for Navigable Rivers.

Unique Civilian Unit

• Tjaty: Visier/architect Unit. Can only be built in Cities with a Necropolis, and the specific Tjaty received is random. Each Tjaty can only be received once. Cost increases per Tjaty built.
• Possible Tjaty Units:
  • Amhose: Activated on the Palace to add Culture to the building.
  • Aperel: Grants Chariot Units with increased Combat Strength.
  • Hemiunu: Activated on a Wonder under construction to add a medium amount of Production.
  • Imhotep: Activated on a Wonder under construction to add a larger amount of Production.
  • Khay: Grants Medjay Units that have increased Combat Strength.
  • Nebet: Activated on a Necropolis to immediately trigger a Golden Age.
  • Paser: Activated on a Wonder under Construction to add a smaller amount of Production.
  • Ptahhotep: Activated on a Constructible with a Great Work Slot to grant a Codex called 'The Maxims of Ptahhotep' that grants increased Science.
  • Ramose: Activated on a Wonder to add Gold to it.
  • Useramen: Activated on a Wonder to add Culture to it.

Unique Military Unit

• Medjay: Tier 1 Infantry. Increased Combat Strength in friendly territory, doubled when stationed in a Settlement you own.

Associated Wonder

• Pyramids: Adds Gold. Increased Gold and Production on Minor and Navigable River tiles in this City. Must be placed on a Desert adjacent to a Navigable River tile.

Hatshepsut is an early 18th Dynasty New Kingdom Pharaoh (great choice).
- She was actually blonde.
- Wore her hair in hard braids as was the custom of the time.
- As "Pharaoh" she also wore the Pharaoh Beard whilst wearing the nemes.

Other points:
- Hatshepsut ruled 'Kmt' (or as Greeks translated it, Kemet), not Egypt. Egypt is a modern thing. Kemet literally means "The Black Lands".
- During Hatshepsut's rule there was no "Amun-Ra". Amun and Ra were separate till after the Bronze Age Collapse during the Third Intermediate Period.
- Amun was the ruling God, responsible for creation. Ra was the sun God, responsible for lighting the day.

It is really out of place to use the Pyramids, and Amun-Ra, in what is in all other ways, a Kemetan New Kingdom Civ.

 

[ombak]

When I first heard Potato McWhiskey saying it, I thought he was saying magi.

My first thought is to ask if that's where the word magus/magi in Europena languages came from?

 

[Dale]

It's an elite police force originally from Nubia. And the Egyptological pronunciation is "meh-jye" rhyming with rye. /mɛʤai̯/

During the Middle Kingdom the old records say the Medjay were a nomadic tribe in the Nubian desert. They were usually employed for "the hard work" in military campaigns as they were fierce fighters. Ahmose used them as special forces during the assault on the Hyksos at the end of the 2nd Intermediate. During the New Kingdom they were employed as special forces, to police and act as high-skilled response units. Specially useful during Libyan and Sea Peoples raids, and by Akhenaten against Amun High Priest militants.

I think this is a good choice unique unit.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

My first thought is to ask if that's where the word magus/magi in Europena languages came from?

It piqued my interest because I thought they'd changed the subject to Persians. The Magi were Persian priests. That's the origin of words like magic and mage.

 

[Zaarin]

It piqued my interest because I thought they'd changed the subject to Persians. The Magi were Persian priests. That's the origin of words like magic and mage.

To add to this, the Magi were much like the Levites in that they were a specific clan within the Persians (more properly, Aryans) whose job was the priesthood. By the Sassanid period, though, they were no longer a specific clan and referred specifically to Zoroastrian priests (the status of Zoroastrianism in Achaemenid Persia is extremely unclear). And yes, this is the source of mage and magic because the Magi were said to be astrologers and sorcerers.

 

[pokiehl]

Other points:
- Hatshepsut ruled 'Kmt' (or as Greeks translated it, Kemet), not Egypt. Egypt is a modern thing. Kemet literally means "The Black Lands".

I feel like this is kind of misleading. Egypt and Kemet are the same place. Egypt is not a modern word; it is really old. It's an example of synechdoche. It comes from the Greek transliteration of the ancient Egyptian name for Memphis. It came to be the name for the entire country. Egypt = Kemet. One is an endonym and one is an exonym, that's all.

- During Hatshepsut's rule there was no "Amun-Ra". Amun and Ra were separate till after the Bronze Age Collapse during the Third Intermediate Period.

This is wrong. Amun-Ra was syncretized by the time of the 11th Dynasty, far before the New Kingdom.

It is really out of place to use the Pyramids, and Amun-Ra, in what is in all other ways, a Kemetan New Kingdom Civ.

I don't think there's anything wrong with using the most iconic things in Egypt. The civ is supposed to represent all of Ancient Egypt, not the snapshot of Hatshepsut's reign.

Remember, leader and civ are totally decoupled. Egypt exists without Hatshepsut in Civ 7. The assignment of the Pyramids as the associated wonder belongs to Egypt, not Hatshepsut.

 

[Zaarin]

I feel like this is kind of misleading. Egypt and Kemet are the same place. Egypt is not a modern word; it is really old. It's an example of synechdoche. It comes from the Greek transliteration of the ancient Egyptian name for Memphis. It came to be the name for the entire country. Egypt = Kemet. One is an endonym and one is an exonym, that's all.

And it stuck around. Αἴγυπτος is also the source of "Copt."

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

Hatshepsut is an early 18th Dynasty New Kingdom Pharaoh (great choice).
- She was actually blonde.

5555+ Don't say that she's actually one of LaMetallian agent known as Queen Millennia

 

[Siptah]

This might be very picky, but I just wish that the Obelisk in the Egyptian city would have an Egyptian base and not a Roman one...

And while a Mastaba is a good choice, I wish they went with Per Djed instead for the name (not too late!). And I also wish they would just visually depict one, even if it doesn't look that impressive from the outside. It would feel much better than this apparent fantasy building.