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Iron and Blood 2 - Game Thread

Discussion in 'Imperium OffTopicum' started by Tee Kay, May 24, 2012.

  1. kiwitt

    kiwitt Road to War Modder

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    1824

    The Prime Minister visits Finland

    As recommended by the Parliamentary Committee on Finland, a second approach to the Grand Duchy of Finland should be made. Two years of visits by traders to Finland, showing the variety of wares available and other examples of the Scandinavian’s booming economy have already softened the populace as to the advantages of joining the union.
    Armed with this knowledge, the Prime Minister himself went to see the Grand Prince Alexander I



    The Grand Prince listened to the Scandinavian Prime Minister, who explained that the old Scandinavian regime had been significantly changed, with not only a new government, but also a new King. He went on to explain that the benefits of joining, that was described by the previous mission remained. These being improved health and welfare benefits for its people, a significantly better education system with knowledge from all over the world and enriching the knowledge of its teachers and thereby its students.

    While there is limited international opposition, the rest of the world seems more pre-occupied with more urgent matters. In this light, the Prime Minister then requested permission for the new King to make an official Royal Visit and to discuss the matter of union further. The Grand Prince accepted this visit.

    The Scandinavian King visits to Finland.

    A couple months after the Prime Minister’s visit, in the height of summer, the King arrived via the Swedish Baltic Fleet into the harbour of Helsinki. The fleet unloaded the Royal Carriage, which would take the King to the Finnish monarch Palace.



    The King was greeted with cheering crowds as he rode to the palace. Many remembered how he was instrumental to bringing peace to Scandinavia and likewise Finland. He seemed to treated as a hero in Finland as well, which astonished the Grand Prince.

    Upon entering the Palace, the King was warmly greeted by the Grand Prince and led into the main drawing room. The Grand Prince announced that a Royal Ball will be held tonight and we could then discuss the business of union the next day.

    The ball was a delight to behold, with fireworks, dancing and music to the late hours. The next day, after the noon meal, the King and the Prince then met to discuss the merits of union in more detail.

    The King’s Offer to the Grand Prince of Finland

    It was explained that the people would still have local autonomy and the Grand Prince would still be the head of the nation. All laws affecting Finland would still need to receive the Grand Prince’s approval and accent. The existing National Assembly would continue and appoint a First Minister for Finland who would be an equal member of the Scandinavia Union’s cabinet.

    The King then left the best bet till last. The Scandinavian Union will invest a minimum 1,500,000 gold kronor every 5 years for a minimum 20 years to improve the infrastructure and other development opportunities the Grand Prince felt were required. Incidentally, this amount equals half the income of the whole of Finland. This money would be given to the Grand Prince directly to manage.

    The Grand Prince said this is considerable offer and with the other additional benefits already outlined by the Prime Minister, it would be something he would have to give significant thought to. He thanked the King for coming to Finland to visit and will respond soon once he has spoken with his advisors and his people.
     
  2. Prospo

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    I'm not saying we won't have friendly relations, we just see you as an equal and not as a better.
     
  3. Tee Kay

    Tee Kay Silly furry

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    Still missing some orders. Less than 12 hours until deadline.
     
  4. DroopyTofu

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    Israel is saddened that the Lebanese are discontented with the current rule in Israel. Any Christians or Muslims who were unhappy with the Jewish government were given plenty of opportunities to leave the country. Instead of leaving or coexisting peacefully, some have chosen to start a rebellion and ruin the stability of the entire nation. Sadly, some cannot be happy to let others live in peace. If the rebellious province rejoins Israel peacefully, we are willing to make a deal. Allow the rightful government control over the land now and we will give all non-Jews in Lebanon equal treatment under the law. You will not be subject to special taxes and the courts will treat you the same. In short, Lebanon will become a Christian and Muslim homeland within the Jewish homeland. However, you must remember the purpose of the creation of Israel. Any persecution you may believe you experience under our government is nothing compared to the treatment Jews have received from the nations of the world throughout our history. This is why the Jews need their own land. To be safe from outside forces who wish to destroy us. You are merely guests here and need to understand the nature of the nation in which you live. You chose to stay here under our terms but now you revolt. Accept our above deal and we can return to living peacefully within Israel. However, the longer you wait to accept, the less forgiving we will be and the harsher the terms shall be.


    Now, there is also the issue of the diplomats you sent all over the world. They have pulled nations with no stake in the matter into Israel’s domestic affairs. We, the government of The Lord Our G-d's Most Beloved Nation of His People, assure you that we can handle our own household and do not need any unwelcomed interference from other powers. The non-Jews in the rest of Israel are still at peace with the government, so you can see that there is no cruel or unusual treatment of non-Jews. If there were, then all of Isreal would be in revolt, not just this small northern fringe. Also, remember that all non-Jews were given the opportunity to leave and return to the lands of their own people. But these men and women chose to remain, knowing the Jewish government was coming and they were warned that this state was by the Jews, for the Jews. They stayed of their own choice and are now rebelling of their own choice. If they are reasonable, they will return by their own choice. But they will return sooner or later. However, it must be without foreign intervention.
     
  5. Tee Kay

    Tee Kay Silly furry

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    *The Lebanese delivered this reply via the Papal representative in Jerusalem*

    Leave? This is our land, our forefather's land; the Jews never ruled any part of it. As for your "offer" of a deal, we will only accept the complete independence of our country. Any persecutions you may have endured in the past is never an excuse to steal another nation's country. You have Palestine, you have Jerusalem, our ranks are swelled with refugees from your brutal persecution of Christians and Muslims in the Holy Land; what more do you want?

    O civilised nation of the world, hear our pleas. The Jews may show you the Muslim and Christian quarters of Jerusalem, but do not be deceived; it is a performance, stage-managed, insulting your intelligence with the illusion of tolerance. There are very few Christians and Muslims left in Palestine. They are forced out by the barbaric discrimination policies of Israel - the Jews are doing to the Christians and Muslims of Israel what the Jews themselves had suffered in their Exile. Is this not hypocrisy?

    The statistics of the Jewish State itself gives credence to our plight; almost all the Christians and Muslims of Palestine have left the country - no one would leave the land of their ancestors unless under duress.

    O Israelites, you have a choice before you. You can choose to be our neighbour, or you can choose to be our oppressor. If you leave us in peace, we can leave you in peace. If you choose to impose your rule on us, then we shall not answer you but with gunfire and the roar of cannons.
     
  6. Jehoshua

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    The Holy See offers once again to mediate peaceful dialogue between the two sides in the hope that peace may reign and that war in the Holy Land may be avoided. However should Israel remain obstinate in its pride, then such an offer will not be made again, and we will officially recognise the lebanese state alongside the Islamic Caliph, who's people likewise have been aggrieved at the hands of Israel.
     
  7. Bowsling

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    Yet Jews remain in other nations, namely Russia and Poland-Lithuania rather than leave for the new Zionist homeland. They are a minority within much larger Christian nations. According to Israeli logic, this gives these nations perfect justification to crush Jewish communities, many of which have existed living peacefully for centuries, simply because they are "guests" within the homeland of Poles and Lithuanians, or Russians. The Muslims and Christians of Lebanon and all of Israel are in the same situation as these Jews who choose to remain behind in Europe. They have lived simple lives, farming the land and praying to God for centuries, sometimes under Chrisitans and sometimes under Muslims, yet now they are to choose between abandoning their homeland or being discriminated against at home.

    Most disturbing, however, is the justification of Israel for such acts of cruelty. They say that the sufferings that Jews have experienced at the hands of the Gentiles are nothing in comparison to the constant injustices that they deliver to the Christians and Muslims in their country. Did God not command that "if a man robs you of your coat, give him also your cloak"? In their zeal to establish a their coveted national homeland, it would seem that the Jews have abandoned even their own faith!

    The promises now extended to the Gentiles of Lebanon are certainly a step in the right direction, why halt there? Why not extend this newfound tolerance to all of Israel? The Jews within the Caliphate enjoy equal treatment as the faithful, and similar arrangements are in place even in the Papal States. We beseech you, on behalf of God, to abandon the deluded policy of discrimination against Muslims and Jews Christians (thanks Jehoshua) in Israel!
     
  8. Jehoshua

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    ooc: muslim and christian in Israel, I don't think the jews are discriminating against themselves except in rejecting their own law.
     
  9. DroopyTofu

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    Semi-OOC: They were offered equality and still turned it down. :dunno:
     
  10. Jehoshua

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    ooc: your tone wasn't particularly the most concilliatory, also you didn't even offer autonomy. They simply wouldn't accept equality since the persecutions mean the government of Israel has lost any basis to have its words trusted by them.
     
  11. Tee Kay

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    OOC: Trust is indeed in very short supply. Be thankful they didn't ask for the Right of Return. :mischief:
     
  12. arya126

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    France would like to announce that any aggressive strike against Israel will result in retaliatory action by the Empire of France. We will not stand by and see an entire religion, especially one so close to our own state religion, annihilated. The rejection of such an equal and fair offer by the Israelites merely displays to the world that the only goal of Lebanon is to secede! I believe we can all agree that an integral part of any nation has no legal, moral, or religious right to secede from another, correct?
     
  13. Jehoshua

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    The Holy See and the Successor of Peter who happens to be head your state religion, wonders at the rationale behind the scaremongering of the French Empire. An effort by any state to assist the Lebanese people through non-diplomatic means (a last resort in any instance in the eyes of all parties with a legitimate stake in the issue) from the oppression they face under the yoke of Israel hardly equates to the "annihilation of an entire religion". Indeed Jews live throughout the world, and I doubt anyone desires to persecute the jews in Israel as they have persecuted the christians and muslims. The assumption that an end to a jewish state in the Holy Land would somehow equate to a mass murder of jews and the extirpation of the jewish religion is quite frankly absurd.

    Regardless, this issues determination should remain limited to those with a stake in the Lebanese Question. Namely in addition to Israel and the Lebanese Millets themselves the Holy See as the ultimate authority over the Melkite, Latin and Maronite religious commuities, and the Caliphate of Arabia as the equivalent over Lebanon's muslim communities. France should focus its interests elsewhere and refrain from needless aggravations and threats that only raise tensions and mar the otherwise exemplary relationship of fraternity that exists between France and many of its neighbours.
     
  14. christos200

    christos200 Never tell me the odds

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    Mongolia wants to transport all Mongolian Jews, 0,25% of the population, to Israel. They have 2 days to leave Mongolia or they will be executed. The Jews are the plague of the world.

    Also we withdraw our recognization from Israel and consider Israel a province of Lebanese republic.

    The Holy Land is a Christian Land. And the Jews should be punished because they killed our Lord, Jesus Christ.
     
  15. Tee Kay

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    OOC: Mongolian Catholic Zealots, Anti-Maronite French, Pope and Caliph allied in a war

     
  16. Joecoolyo

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    The Foreign Affairs Office of the Free City of Istanbul has issued a statement concerning the Lebanon Crisis in the land of Israel:

    We urge everyone involved, and everyone speaking about this crisis to please keep calm about this event. This event can, and will be solved with diplomacy, and we will not stand by letting another war appear in the Mediterranean region, let alone between the trusted allies of the Istanbul coalition. We denounce taking any extreme sides in this crisis, and instead propose a diplomatic, middle route that will please everyone.

    We believe Israel is beginning to take the right steps with their plan for this crisis, with increasing self-governance of the province as well as rights for minorities within the country. But, if Israel is to solve this, they must go a step further. We believe that Lebanon should be an autonomous province within the state of Israel. This will give the Lebanese a chance at governing themselves while at the same time Israel will not be losing one of it's core provinces. We also believe Israel must extend the rights it gives to minority citizens within the province of Lebanon to the entire state of Israel, and respect everyone who lives there. This respect can be given without threatening the fact that the state of Israel is the homeland of the Jews, it can be both a tolerant society and a homeland at the same time. Israel must take these steps in order to solve this crisis and come out in one peace, and of course, avert war.

    We also urge calm between the French and the Papacy. No one should be threatening anyone over this minor issue within Israel. And although it is noble of France to protect the homeland of the Jews, we believe they are doing it for all the wrong reasons, and vis-versa with the Papacy. If we take the compromise road, this land can be both the homeland for the Jews, and a tolerant society where anyone can live regardless of their religion. If we can put our differences aside and pressure Israel as a team, we can solve this crisis and keep the peace in the region once again.

    We heavily denounce Mongolia and their ethnic cleansing. It's one thing to encourage emigration to the state of Israel, but forcibly moving an entire people on threat of death is uncivilized and barbaric. We hereby cut all diplomatic ties with Mongolia until they revoke this ethnic cleansing law. We also prevent any Mongolian ships and merchants from entering the port of Istanbul and trading in our massive bazaars and markets. We encourage the entire world to cut ties and stop trading with the barbaric nation of Mongolia until they stop ethnically cleansing their own populace.

    As a massive international city renown across the world, we house and support millions of different people, from Jews, Muslims, and Christians, to Indians, Europeans, and Africans. And although a Muslim majority nation, we see ourselves as an international city first, and Muslim majority nation second. This is why we support the State of Israel as the homeland of the Jews, while at the same time pressure them to accept minorities and give them rights. And this is why we abhor the desecration going on in Mongolia. If Mongolia does not stop this genocide, then we, being a Free City, will help Mongolian Jews get out of the terrible country they once called home and to either Israel or Istanbul, wherever they see fit to go. We are the Free City, and we stand by those looking to be free across the world.
     
  17. Midnight-Blue766

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    The government of Azadistan calls for every nation in The Pan-Indian Prosperity Initiative Treaty to boycott Mongolia and her allies.
     
  18. kiwitt

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    Special Message issued by the Scandinavian Government in response to this Public Announcement

    The King and Scandinavian Government are shocked at hearing the news announcement by the Mongolian Government. We condemn the action of Mongolia.

    We support the announcement made by the Free City of Istanbul and Mongolia trade caravans will no longer be welcome.
    Message to the Holy See

    In addition, we hereby advise the Holy See to withdraw their missionaries from Mongolia, albeit they are probably sorely needed there, until a policy change is forthcoming.
    In addition the Holy See should renounce the 'Catholic' Khan and withdraw support for him.
    The Exiled Jews

    In support of the persecuted Jews, the Minister of Internal Affairs has been instructed to set up a refugee camp outside the gates of Copenhagen, so they may rest and be safe until they can find a safe home. This will be managed by our Lutheran Church, who cares for all our people.
     
  19. Mosher

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    Your lord Jesus Christ was a Jew
     
  20. Prospo

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    OOC: I know my embargo doesn't do anything this turn, just wanted my opinion to be known.

    Mongolian Trade Sanctions​

    Recently Mongolia has declared that all of its Jewish citizens have 2 days to leave Mongolia, an absurd request considering the isolation of many of its communities and the slow speed of the caravans that traverse the country. Mongolia has also denounced the Jews as a plauge. Persia encourages all nations to renounce all trade deals with the Mongols and furthermore announces its own embargo on all Mongolian goods.

    No good muslim will stand by and watch the People of the Book assaulted like this. A Christian who massacres Jews is no Christian at all.
     

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