NES/IOT Merger Poll

[North King]

Stunningly, not every post in a thread is directly aimed at the OP. We were responding to "you're taking this too seriously". kthx

 

[Luckymoose]

This forum won't last forever. I strongly suggest you find a way to archive your work.

Edit: I would be extremely shock if you aren't archiving threads that you want to keep forever actually.



About 30% of my posts are ninja edits.

We have archived a lot of stuff, but that doesn't mean we want it deleted here now. It is forum history that eases people into what we do when they find the content. I've produced, by myself, hundreds of thousands of words of content in the last two or three years alone. So I would rather it remain where people can gain something from it moving forward than be erased by our overlords.

 

[KaiserElectric]

If you really wanted people to gain something from it moving forward, an offsite archive is a lot better then leaving it buried deep in the forum.

 

[Luckymoose]

If you really wanted people to gain something from it moving forward, an offsite archive is a lot better then leaving it buried deep in the forum.

How would they find that without looking for it? Why not just directly link within the same, searchable forum database to previous content.

 

[BSmith1068]

No one is saying anything about deleting anything. That is not and will not be in the cards. Please stop fabricating demons that do not exist.

 

[SamSniped]

removed

 

[North King]

Again, you're acting like Lucky raised the idea. Zach made an offhand comment, and people have been running with it and saying "why aren't you archiving?" Lucky's just explaining why we're not archiving.

Stop fabricating demons of your own.

 

[Azale]

hilarious picture

stop shouting down debate with your inane "dur hur its not serious guys its only a game", it's really obnoxious and demeaning to pretty much everyone. if its not big deal to you, then leave and go do cool people things

 

[Luckymoose]

Why even bother saving it if the best response to saving years of work is a sparkly gif belittling the hobby?

 

[SamSniped]

stop shouting down debate with your inane "dur hur its not serious guys its only a game", it's really obnoxious and demeaning to pretty much everyone. if its not big deal to you, then leave and go do cool people things

Sorry, it was in poor taste. Removed.

 

[erez87]

Please don't merge the forums. It helps in no way, the only thing it will achieve is the end of NES (and IOT) as a unique entity and make some sort of mishmash in which NESing will probably just disappear from CFC.

 

[Ailedhoo]

Please don't merge the forums. It helps in no way, the only thing it will achieve is the end of NES (and IOT) as a unique entity and make some sort of mishmash in which NESing will probably just disappear from CFC.

How would it make NESing vanish from CFC? The old stuff will not get deleted. Nothing stopping people from labeling their games "IOT," "NES," "STG" or "WB" in a merged thread... hopefully.

By focusing both threads into a unit we can easier for the advertisement of new games, encourage a spring of activity, make management simpler, ease access to the two and allow a adoption of a new name that would increase communication. It will also make the ridiculous "us vs them" approaches that had cursed both houses even more ridiculous.

This is not about the beginning of the end but rather the end of the beginning.

 

[Thlayli]

I'm still not really sure why it's necessary. In large part, EQ thinks it's necessary because NES forum activity has declined. But NES forum activity has declined because of the Frontier exodus; taking steps to mollify the concerns of the Frontierspeople would be more effective than merging the forums.

If merging the forums just drives the rest of the "loyalist" CFC NESers to the Frontier, it could have the opposite effect that EQ has envisioned.

Personally, I have no trouble recruiting from IOT when I need players, and it's not exactly hard for people to click a link. So I don't see a merge as fully necessary. Nobody has quantitatively proven to me, beyond their own subjective feelings, that a merge will increase gross activity either.

If you have data, by all means show it to me. But if not, shrug.

Also, if you end up merging the forums based on "popular consensus," it would only be fair and responsible to make PDMA reforms based on that selfsame popular consensus, the margin of which is even greater than the margin of victory for the Yes vote here. Democracy isn't about cherrypicking, now is it?

 

[Double A]

Also, if you end up merging the forums based on "popular consensus," it would only be fair and responsible to make PDMA reforms based on that selfsame popular consensus, the margin of which is even greater than the margin of victory for the Yes vote here. Democracy isn't about cherrypicking, now is it?

Oh wow something I actually care about.

 

[Ailedhoo]

Nobody has quantitatively proven to me, beyond their own subjective feelings, that a merge will increase gross activity either.

If you have data, by all means show it to me. But if not, shrug.

How can I show data of the future? Any rate my big concern, the 'us vs them' culture, uses something that can be more useful than quantitative data; qualitative data. There has been cases (I will not name names) of tribalism that has erupted against both houses. These hostilities do not promote creativity and only isolate both similar houses from each other. The union will hinder the tribalism and ensure any 'forum section "nationalism"' is set to a more healthier function.

The whole Exodus was result of a qualitative observation, not a statistical survey. Experience is qualitative.

Also, if you end up merging the forums based on "popular consensus," it would only be fair and responsible to make PDMA reforms based on that selfsame popular consensus, the margin of which is even greater than the margin of victory for the Yes vote here. Democracy isn't about cherrypicking, now is it?

I thought there some progression on the PDMA thing last I checked that thread regarding a proposal...

 

[erez87]

How would it make NESing vanish from CFC? The old stuff will not get deleted. Nothing stopping people from labeling their games "IOT," "NES," "STG" or "WB" in a merged thread... hopefully.

By focusing both threads into a unit we can easier for the advertisement of new games, encourage a spring of activity, make management simpler, ease access to the two and allow a adoption of a new name that would increase communication. It will also make the ridiculous "us vs them" approaches that had cursed both houses even more ridiculous.

This is not about the beginning of the end but rather the end of the beginning.

For over a decade I have been coming on CFC to the NESing forum, which has been a wonderful community the plays games and writes wonderful stories. Right now that community is more fragile than usually after some people decided to leave CFC for whatever reasons. Right now mixing the NES forum will merely serve to make NES a sub part of IOT and probably make it disappear completely among the, currently, more vibrant and lively IOT forum.

Not only that, why would we remove the NESing forum? there is no reason to do it. None. Why should a hobby and a forum that have existed for over a decade just be removed? Because it will make it easier for some people to get more players? That is certainly not a good enough reason, and there is no reason to believe it is true. I think that NESing will just melt away among the IOT games, and I do not want that.

There is no reason to merge the forums, it has nothing to do with finding games, since those are always merely 2 clicks away, and if someone wanted to he would have played them by now.

There is no "us vs them". There is no us, NESing isn't certain people, it is a hobby in its own, and everyone, at least here on CFC, is invited to play it (and encouraged, and if possible would be coerced to play it!).

This merge, as much as I can see now, would be the end of NESing, and I know I am wholly against that.

If merging the forums just drives the rest of the "loyalist" CFC NESers to the Frontier, it could have the opposite effect that EQ has envisioned.

Don't know about others, but nah. I won't leave. Even if the merge happens, and we move to a united forum I'll stay and will be here even as the last NES is played (even if I myself won't be playing it, I'll be watching).

 

[Robert Can't]

edit: nvm

 

[Ailedhoo]

For over a decade I have been coming on CFC to the NESing forum, which has been a wonderful community the plays games and writes wonderful stories. Right now that community is more fragile than usually after some people decided to leave CFC for whatever reasons. Right now mixing the NES forum will merely serve to make NES a sub part of IOT and probably make it disappear completely among the, currently, more vibrant and lively IOT forum.

The process of a merge would (in case of CFC) legally ensure the equality of IOT and NES be maintained. The fragility is not a result of merging actions and there are those who partake in both the Frontier and CFC. Neither NES or IOT will disappear in the merge; rather they will form a new being.

Not only that, why would we remove the NESing forum? there is no reason to do it. None. Why should a hobby and a forum that have existed for over a decade just be removed? Because it will make it easier for some people to get more players? That is certainly not a good enough reason, and there is no reason to believe it is true. I think that NESing will just melt away among the IOT games, and I do not want that.

Merging will not remove NES. With activity from both IOTers and NESers you will not see a melting away. Rather by merging you will a mixing as both become something new, something wonderful.

There is no reason to merge the forums, it has nothing to do with finding games, since those are always merely 2 clicks away, and if someone wanted to he would have played them by now.

I have given reasons for the merge have I not? Management is one of the reasons. Combating the "us vs them" is a reason. Making it easier to advertise what the games is a reason, for World Building Games may be not perfect but it could tell people the kind of games NESes and IOTs are.

Granted I missed a important notion; that of the similarity of the games and how the artificial divide is primarily ideal rather than mechanical.

There is no "us vs them". There is no us, NESing isn't certain people, it is a hobby in its own, and everyone, at least here on CFC, is invited to play it (and encouraged, and if possible would be coerced to play it!).

Unfortunately I have bare witness to certain figures from both forum sections (I will not name names) who do take the "us vs them" approach. Indeed the hostiles who proclaim such attitudes have a danger of driving people away from a forum section. By merging we will drown these hostile attitudes.

This merge, as much as I can see now, would be the end of NESing, and I know I am wholly against that.

The end of NES would emerge not from blending. The playing of games, be it a NES, IOT or other form of WB, will ensure a continuity. The old stuff would not be destroyed, for the merge will not be a cleansing. Technically the STG on Frontier is a merged section in many regards as both Sone and NESers have taken games there; if a single forum section for the style of games IOT and NES are works there it would do well here on CFC.

 

[erez87]

Merging will remove NES as a unique place that I have been calling home for over a decade. And I really do think NESing as a thing on CFC will disappear soon after. Replaced? Maybe. But it won't be NESing.

As for the "us vs. them". I've been ignoring those people, I suggest everyone do the same.

 

[Thlayli]

Yeah, I'm still opposed to "World Building Games". A lot of NESes don't deal with worlds, or with world building in the traditional sense; NESLife is a classic example. Another example is NESes (or IoT's?) that simulate cities or nations, internal politics and that sort of thing. I suppose you can apply the term "World Building" to things that aren't necessarily building a world, but putting the emphasis on building, rather than anything else, encourages a certain type of play and playstyle.

If there is a merge, let's be very careful to *not* use that term.