NOTW L: The Immortals [Game Thread]

huh. Bad Player, choxorn raises a valid point about KM being similarly resistant to feeding as you are. You being silent about your life mana is also scummy, especially given that if you needed it for your pg, then, had you spoken up, you might have gotten MORE life manas, to heal with. Zack, that makes sense.
 
especially given that, since you had a metamagic mana, you could have converted the chaos mana to a life mana.
 
As I have already said, I want life mana for my PG. I hadn't thought of asking you for the life mana since it wasn't my suggestion anyway. As far as Catharsis is concerned, I don't know why he would be targeted except that it has been non-vampires except for Visorslash.

This doesn't make sense. You want life mana but didn't suggest you getting it?

You, Bad Player, are completely, 100% full of all-American Bull Sierra Hotel India Tango.
 
huh. Bad Player, choxorn raises a valid point about KM being similarly resistant to feeding as you are. You being silent about your life mana is also scummy, especially given that if you needed it for your pg, then, had you spoken up, you might have gotten MORE life manas, to heal with. Zack, that makes sense.

Check the QT - pretty certain I told you all my pg of getting life mana and thatu wanted more!
 
You did post that
Bad Player in QT said:
My affinities are for meta magic and life mana. If I can get 3 life mana I can fulfill my PG.
. However, you never said that you already had one.
 
Ok, I'm convinced that BP is scum. We all started the game with a mana type which we could not use. BP claims to have a life mana and metamagic mana, and he claims to have a PG related to the life mana, and an affinity for life and metamagic. So neither of those manas could have been his starting mana. Hence, unless he started with some other mana type (in which case, who got it and when?), he is lying.
 
Okay, I will place my vote in with BadPlayer as well.

OOC: By the way I really don't understand the several people who have complained that too much has been going on behind the scenes in this game... That is literally the entire point of NOTW.
 
I'm going to have to make a big post to address the misinformation that is going on.

1) The chaos orb.
Catharsis wanted the chaos orb moved around to keep it hidden. The information in the QT was that King Morgan was innocent and would be attacked (but would survive being because he was innocent). There seems to be a demon bias towards targeting active non-vampires in this game (only the vampire leader/town coordinator was killed by demons). Being a relatively active participant in this game I told Catharsis that I would tell another innocent (creating a group of 3 people - a cell) and he would not know the name of the other person but know they exist (regarding nature mana but also I used the 3 person cell concept to hide the chaos mana). For me, the 3rd person in the cell had to be a confirmed innocent but hopefully not a demon target.

The information on King Morgan was that "We can cross KingMorgan off the immediate suspects list I think. He finally fessed up to me about some stuff, I'm still pressuring him but it all sounds fairly legit so far and I know what happened on night three now" and "Sun mana is aimed at KingMorgan tonight (sent in the order before Kol's post below). I guess it's still useful as a 'second opinion' on KM :p"


2) The Life Mana.

I was publicly voted the life mana on night 7 so everyone should have know that I have the life mana. I also told the QT group that I am in very clearly: "My affinities are for meta magic and life mana. If I can get 3 life mana I can fulfill my PG". I could have pushed to get more life manas but I ignored my PG because catching the scum teams is more important.


3) The Nature Mana.

Visorslash found out that Winston Hughes had nature mana that gives a scanning ability (with 2 or 3). Visorslash wanted more made and I had metamagic mana so I was the go-to guy for him. I made another and passed them to King Morgan because I didn't want them lost if I was a target of the demon (active, non-vampire).

Catharsis asked "Will you be converting the chaos mana to raw mana tonight?" to which I replied "Visor put me onto another player who gave up nature mana (one of the most powerful manas) and I'm making another nature mana tonight unless you want the chaos destroyed? I can show you the chaos mana if you want to make sure it's secure." to which Catharsis replied "No the nature mana plan should be fine. I would appreciate you showing me the chaos mana though" and the conversation goes on. Visorslash made the request to create nature mana as a priority.


4) Zack's admittance to the QT.

Zack was suggested by Player A because he was a healer/had 2 life manas "I added Zack, since he share my PG (demons probably wouldn't have peace PGs) and has potentially useful life mana."

My reasoning for admitting Zack to the QT was this: "The larger the group the less secure it is but we need to communicate more with Visor's other people. Maybe for now Zack could be the intermediary?"


5) My knowledge of King Morgan.

Early in the QT I thought that TBK was innocent and KingMorgan was guilty based on Pizza's post and I therefore wrote "If the vampires kill King Morgan tonight (and assuming he is demon), will that allow us to trust The Black Knigh? It would be useful to have more allies." However, the latest information (also posted above) was that he was confirmed innocent: "We can cross KingMorgan off the immediate suspects list I think."


6) My knowledge of Winston Hughes/Darth Caesar.

Initially I suggested to Visorslash privately that: "I suspect Darth Caesar because I accused him then I was attacked". If anyone is interested in reading it, Catharsis has a copy of the PM's between myself and Winston Hughes.

7) My work with Visorslash.

Initially we both thought eachother were scum but after a few things including the Pizza vote to lynch him and my offer to be sun mana'd (and perhaps some other stuff), Visorslash and I got a level of trust going and were able to work together. Visorslash told me that Winston Hughes had some nature mana which allowed him to scan people (with 2 or 3 nature mana) and he wanted more made (FYI - I got given metamagic mana on night 4). Later I got the nature mana from Winston Hughes (the PM's are with Catharsis if anyone is interested).


8) My strength.

Zack is wondering why his vampire attacks on me didn't work but other vampires' attacks did work. I started on strength 3 as a Calabim adept (see also http://fallfromheaven.wikia.com/wiki/Adept) and I was given life and metamagic manas which I have an affinity for (hence strength 4(5) now). The "resistance" was only against Zack (who presumably has less strength than me) because I was not "resistant" to the other vampires throughout the game (I got a few bites throughout the game).
 
If I had to make a suspect list, I would be looking towards the vampires because:

1) They seem to not care about Visorslash's instructions, they do their own thing (were they given the same instructions as our QT?).

2) The only vampire killed by the demon was the leader of the vampires, Visorslash. All other demon victims were non-vampires.

3) Verarde and The Black Knigh (usurper) have the secondary objective of war with the Amurites (they got this and I think this is something that should be publicly known).

4) Frozen in Ice has the secondary objective of war with the Sheiam (you've almost achieved this!).
 
Bad Player, I know that you got my PM. I changed my mind on KM's innocence very quickly after posting that. I was having a conversation with him that at first seemed legitimate, but then started to sound more and more obviously scummy the longer it went on. I would have posted that in the QT, but I knew KM was already being a target of the sun mana, and I don't trust everyone that has access to that topic and didn't want to give too much away. It was me who originally drew attention to KM's scummyness, and me thinking actually I was wrong was just a momentary blip :p

If you used my post as a reason to give the mana orb to KM then I appologise because it was not indicitive of mine, or anyone's, opinion by the end of the night. However, I don't think you should or would have entrusted a powerful mana orb to someone who you originally thought was a potential demon, just because one guy said he might be innocent. It just seems quite unlikely to me.
 
I only had what was told to me in the QT (obviously your PM only came hours ago) and also Catharsis' quote in the QT implying that King Morgan was innocent. I did not have your PM or any contrary information when I was making decisions. You and Catharsis told me he was innocent at the time, that's all I had to go on.
 
Zack was suggested by Player A because he was a healer/had 2 life manas
Who ever said that? I certainly didn't.

And if you have two life manas, why didn't you heal Mr. Demon-Killer yourself? If your personal goal is to have three life mana, why didn't you ask me for any? You have metamagic - surely you could also convert other mana into life mana?

I also don't like how freely you give away information. Stop revealing so much information in the thread! My God. Why do you need to publicly out the person who's been killing demons? And in private - you just kept giving me more and more information, even when it was unnecessary or I didn't ask. It's as if you WANT to leak info to other potential scumbags. This goes hand in hand with why you blindly trust some people.

Being a relatively active participant in this game I told Catharsis that I would tell another innocent (creating a group of 3 people - a cell)
How do you know if anyone is "innocent" are not? How are you so sure?
 
Zack I didn't out the demon killer... I have 1 life mana as I said above. I didn't create more because I didn't have life mana until late and my priority was not my PG but to make nature mana as per Visorslash's instructions (I said this above). I got told by 2 innocents that King Morgan was innocent (I said this above).
 
Starting to doubt Bad Player's guiltiness but I'm going to leave my vote where it is because no good case has been presented against anyone else. It is confusing trying to follow all this information being revealed from the QT when I don't have access to it.
 
Oh and the best thing people can do to help prove their innocence now is to perform a night action whose use can be confirmed. Everyone should be telling people what they're going to do at night before the night is over as well to help increase accountability.

I really do wonder why King Morgan didn't trade away his mana, or get his other demon buddy to perform the kill in his place. King Morgan knew there was a good chance he was going to be attacked, so the only reason I can think of that he didn't do this is that his buddy is in active.
 
Should we give BP the benefit of the doubt and shoot him with the sun mana at night?
 
classical_hero is the only consistent inactive all game. I doubt that jht and kill fire would loose interest if they were demons. At least they would be around enough for basic mana trades/kills. Bad Player should be sunned at night. classical_hero should die today
 
classical_hero is the only consistent inactive all game. I doubt that jht and kill fire would loose interest if they were demons. At least they would be around enough for basic mana trades/kills. Bad Player should be sunned at night. classical_hero should die today

And classical hero would lose interest?

This makes no sense. Why don't we just lynch Bad Player today? We have no better lynch targets aside from complete inactives.
 
IIRC he was never active, indicating that he simply doesn't have time to play
 
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