NOTW XXIX: Hired Swords - Game Thread

I think it's unusual for an enemy to have a thief ability. Usually thieves are innocent. For that reason I can't vote for Nictel just on the basis that he probably stole the sword. In his position I would have done the exact same thing. Is there any real evidence against him?
 
Well, do we know that the person who got the Mithril sword was innocent? If we do, then whoever stole it was not looking out for the interests of the innocents, he was more interested in his own agenda.

If we know who stole the sword, then they can damn well give it back or go hang - so long as the innocents win, he "wins" even if he dies. His PG doesn't matter, he can either live and have a better chance of winning, by giving the sword back, or die and have a smaller chance of winning. Either way his PG won't be fulfilled.

Stealing the sword was a dumb thing for an innocent to do. It only really makes sense if Nictel is not innocent or stupid, and I'm not willing to ascribe the latter to him...
 
No he doesn't. The entire role of the thief works on the premise that you do not win if you die. It is survival of the fittest, or should I say the ones with the most items, in this game. Stealing the sword is a fantastic thing to do if you're innocent because it means you might be able to fight off an attacker at night, allowing you to survive. Yes, it might be more beneficial for the team as a whole if someone else had the sword, but in perfect honesty it is better from a personal point of view if you steal the sword for yourself, so long as your team can still win.

How do we know that the person who originally had the sword was more worthy of protecting then the thief (or whoever he gives the sword to) anyway?

I support nictel.
 
A thief is a thief, and that´s good enough to judge Nictel. Unless someone has a better target...
 
"If only the world would be in black and white. Unfortunately the many shades of grey hide the line between good and evil in a thick layer of fog.

My dear choxorn, I am so curious, how come you see me sneaking in to a tent but did not see Love's killer, or any of the killers for that matter?

As for myself, clearly I am not a killer nor a traitor. Voting history should make that obvious. An Illian then? Well no, or else I would have gone with the whole Autolycus is 'innocent' bandwagon.

Now sometimes innocents have to take matters in to their own hands, sometimes this involves doing some shady business. I tried taking the sword by voting twice, the first time I got a bandwagon against me. That night someone also tried to kill me, I confided to Sprig and decided to trust him with the sword, a thing hard to proof but no less true. So why did I try it a second time? Because the mithril blade is no ordinary sword. It doubles my strength. Many of you will now understand that this makes me next to impossible to kill and gives a great boost to our gathered strength.

I apologize but I could not take the risk of trusting Backwards Logic and ask for the sword.


Now you understand my reasons, as for Khazaar's wish of a better target:
There were four people protecting Autolycus; Choxorn, Love, Autolycus and Stuck in Pi.

Sprig knew, the morning of day 3, do you not remember his actions?

Spoiler :
The big Orc strolled out of his tent, a big sparkle in his eye. Apart from not one but two bumps in the night he slept soundly.

“Ahhh that was a good sleep” He yelled with a yawn​

Despite the hail, he looked very pleased with himself. He surveyed the other mercenaries giving them big toothy grin. He stopped in front of Seon and Stuck in Pi and gave them extra big grins that revealed his ever so sharp teeth. He moved on and gave a little wave to Askthepizzaguy as he returned to pack up his tent.

I do not know why he never acted on his suspicions. Maybe he was unsure. In any case I do not trust the hunter, he hides too much in the shadows. Speaking of shadows, has anyone seen our mounted swordsman or fyrdwell lately?"

Spoiler :
I see that both haven't been online since the beginning of this month, so rather than an accusation I'm hoping mentioning their names brings them back to us. I rather dislike it when people "ride the game out" also it's kind of odd that they are still alive but that could mean anything.
 
There have been Wolf thieves before Ekolite.

And thief is a thief. I'll happily remove myself from the lynch mob so long as Nictel can come up with damned good reason for what has happened.

I don't deny it. However in the majority of cases, the thief is an innocent role.

A thief is a thief, and that´s good enough to judge Nictel. Unless someone has a better target...

This is the most ridiculous thing I've heard today. Being able to steal items is a very valuable ability, and he could potentially be useful to the innocent team. We should not kill nictel purely on the basis that he is a thief.
 
The Orc has been right in everything he had revealed to me in the past, so I think it is safe to vote on Stuck in Pi
 
The Adventurer looks at the longbowmen, first confused, then genuinely puzzled...

"Uhh...

"First, I guess let's look at the facts:

"Yes, you wanted the sword and Sprig bandwagoned you for it. During this bandwagoning period you sent out a swarm of PMs to various people claiming a few things. One, you had no abilities, and two you had a strength of 4."

"First, I was attacked last night. Fortunately I was able to avoid being killed."

"So the next night you claim to be attacked. Okay, now, either 1) You had protection from someone else, or 2) You can protect yourself with some sort of ability. Now, as far as we know there's only been one bodyguard, and that was Autolycus who I should point out in an apparent brain-fart gave up practically the entire Illian team. Now there's a lie in here somewhere. Either 1) you can protect yourself without the sword (since Sprig had it this night) 2) Autolycus protected you (or someone else who hasn't come forward yet) or 3) You weren't attacked at all despite your continued claims of it."

"I'm willing to follow your judgement Autolycus, as for the sword. Yeah, I would like it. To protect myself.

"But with Sprig's death it's obvious the sword did him no good. He claimed to be able to increase its power here (like yourself I might add). Now while I was not in close contact with Sprig, I have no reason to believe he was lying about this ability. Perhaps someone who was can shed some light on it further."

As for myself, clearly I am not a killer nor a traitor. Voting history should make that obvious. An Illian then? Well no, or else I would have gone with the whole Autolycus is 'innocent' bandwagon.

"Here's where it gets a little more fishy. Now obviously you stole the sword from me, which would appear to be your ability. Meaning you can't protect yourself at night, since having both of those abilities at least to me would be a tad overpowered. So here's what I think happened. Since Autolycus was in fact an Illian, instead of protecting choxorn or whoever he was 'supposed' to, the Illian team gambled and hoped the traitors wouldn't target whoever Autolycus was supposed to protect. As long as the protectee didn't get killed at night, realistically there would be no way for the team of protectees to know that Autolycus was in fact protecting them at all. Which frees up Autolycus to continue to protect someone on the Illian side - you.

"Now when Autolycus goofed at some point and apparently revealed at least Frozen (and it appears rhawn as well), he suddenly became a liability. I mean, how could you trust him after he revealed half of your team? Your vote against Frozen was hardly one of the first votes (7th overall), so once it became obvious he was dying you voted for him to distance yourself from the rest of the team. And staying with the whole "Auto is a liability theme," you couldn't risk leaving him around and possibly revealing you to buy himself another day, so voting to kill him made you look some more innocent and saved you from being exposed as well."

I apologize but I could not take the risk of trusting Backwards Logic and ask for the sword.

"At least you got one thing right. After stacking lie upon lie, there's no way I was handing the sword over to you. And I should point out to you and any other people lacking any skill in casual observation: you're a longbowmen, and you claim to be able to double your strength with a sword?! On top of surviving apparent attempts on your life? While stealing items? Which one is it?

Now you understand my reasons, as for Khazaar's wish of a better target:
There were four people protecting Autolycus; Choxorn, Love, Autolycus and Stuck in Pi.

Sprig knew, the morning of day 3, do you not remember his actions?

"Yea, apparently he accused Stuck in Pi to make him talk. I should also point out somewhere along the way judging by the flask vote, Sprig and Stuck in Pi grew to trust each other, since Sprig according to Stuck in Pi asked that the flask be sent to him. Since choxorn and company didn't refute this (in fact helped vote the flask to him), I can only assume this is true. With your admission of choxorn's scan being correct (since you did admit to stealing the sword), Love's innocence, Sprig's innocence and trust of Stuck in Pi, I can only deduct that whole contingent is on our side (well, not your side). The fact that you're trying to pick it apart is suspicious at best.

"So I conclude you are an Illian, perhaps the last one even.

"Oh yea, I forgot something... Nictel.
 
My dear choxorn, I am so curious, how come you see me sneaking in to a tent but did not see Love's killer, or any of the killers for that matter?

With our great numbers, I can't keep an eye on everyone. I can see some of the things that happen at night, but not all the things that happen at night. I just keep watching the wrong people.

Anyway, our leader has already pointed out the reason why I'm voting for you: because of all these contradictory and increasingly less likely lies. You obviously want that sword very badly, and until you can come up with the true reason, and a pretty damn good reason, why you want it so bad, and why you have lied all this time about why you want it, I must assume you are a traitor or an Illian.
 
Yes I did. The sword gave +2 strength for me. Nothing more. If it has any extra 'magical' (for lack of a better word) capabilities, I am not aware of it.
 
OOC:
"Yes, you wanted the sword and Sprig bandwagoned you for it. During this bandwagoning period you sent out a swarm of PMs to various people claiming a few things. One, you had no abilities, and two you had a strength of 4."
That was half true, I figured no abilities would convince people sooner than thieving ability.

"So the next night you claim to be attacked. Okay, now, either 1) You had protection from someone else, or 2) You can protect yourself with some sort of ability. Now, as far as we know there's only been one bodyguard, and that was Autolycus who I should point out in an apparent brain-fart gave up practically the entire Illian team. Now there's a lie in here somewhere. Either 1) you can protect yourself without the sword (since Sprig had it this night) 2) Autolycus protected you (or someone else who hasn't come forward yet) or 3) You weren't attacked at all despite your continued claims of it."

It's not a 100% protection but I am rather difficult to kill.

"But with Sprig's death it's obvious the sword did him no good. He claimed to be able to increase its power here (like yourself I might add). Now while I was not in close contact with Sprig, I have no reason to believe he was lying about this ability. Perhaps someone who was can shed some light on it further."

I do not see how this speaks against me.

"Here's where it gets a little more fishy. Now obviously you stole the sword from me, which would appear to be your ability. Meaning you can't protect yourself at night, since having both of those abilities at least to me would be a tad overpowered.

Blame PaulusIII, seriously. I can't help it either.

So here's what I think happened. Since Autolycus was in fact an Illian, instead of protecting choxorn or whoever he was 'supposed' to, the Illian team gambled and hoped the traitors wouldn't target whoever Autolycus was supposed to protect. As long as the protectee didn't get killed at night, realistically there would be no way for the team of protectees to know that Autolycus was in fact protecting them at all. Which frees up Autolycus to continue to protect someone on the Illian side - you.

No that didn't happen, uhmm choxorn did you by any chance see anything that night that could proof that Autolycus and I have never had any contact?

"Now when Autolycus goofed at some point and apparently revealed at least Frozen (and it appears rhawn as well), he suddenly became a liability. I mean, how could you trust him after he revealed half of your team? Your vote against Frozen was hardly one of the first votes (7th overall), so once it became obvious he was dying you voted for him to distance yourself from the rest of the team. And staying with the whole "Auto is a liability theme," you couldn't risk leaving him around and possibly revealing you to buy himself another day, so voting to kill him made you look some more innocent and saved you from being exposed as well."

Yes because we all know, 'based on your theory of me being the last Illian and Sprig saying Frozen was the converter', I will easily win on my own without either a kill ability or a converting ability. Since a stealing, protection AND kill/convert ability would be seriously overpowered.

"At least you got one thing right. After stacking lie upon lie, there's no way I was handing the sword over to you. And I should point out to you and any other people lacking any skill in casual observation: you're a longbowmen, and you claim to be able to double your strength with a sword?! On top of surviving apparent attempts on your life? While stealing items? Which one is it?

The fact that you believe I am indeed a longbowmen.

From night 5:
Spoiler :
A loud explosion abruptly woke the men from their sleep at dawn. They had all slept well because they had caught one of the evildoers; however, they were in for a rude awakening.

Panicked, the men ran out of their tents, all searching for the object that had created that blast. They did not have to look far though; the tent of the Battlemage was ablaze. Somebody had evidently tried to blow him up. All of them sought for a way to douse the flames.

When the flames had been doused, the men sought to recover their comrade. They found the Battlemage beneath his tent, his body wrecked by the explosion. It was too late for him; he had passed away.

The man who had inspected the body of the deceased Battlemage suddenly went white in the face at seeing some ritual markings on the late Battlemage's body. "... by the bile of Agares! Do you see those markings on his body? This means he was a Sheaim archmage once upon a time!" The other men shivered at the thought. Had the Battlemage been involved in some other atrocities?

But despite discovering that the Battlemage had indeed been a Sheaim archmage, there was no evidence of his guilt to be found. Evidently he had repented his evil ways.

Spoiler :
KingMorgan was loyal to the Company.


There were no other dead, and no other items.

At least the rude awakening had one positive effect. The march could start a few hours early.

It is now day! Thread is open again!
Night comes in 48 hours!



Appearances can be so deceiving, now you would probably want to know what I am, well not an archmage that's for sure, I'm actually a former assassin. Assassin, hmm I guess that term doesn't really speak well. But alas.

"Yea, apparently he accused Stuck in Pi to make him talk. I should also point out somewhere along the way judging by the flask vote, Sprig and Stuck in Pi grew to trust each other, since Sprig according to Stuck in Pi asked that the flask be sent to him.

You mean how Love believed Autolycus saying he wasn't an Illian?

Since choxorn and company didn't refute this (in fact helped vote the flask to him), I can only assume this is true. With your admission of choxorn's scan being correct (since you did admit to stealing the sword), Love's innocence, Sprig's innocence and trust of Stuck in Pi, I can only deduct that whole contingent is on our side (well, not your side). The fact that you're trying to pick it apart is suspicious at best.

Two innocents, two Illians. Makes sense to me.

"So I conclude you are an Illian, perhaps the last one even."

I'm really not. With all the accusations and suspicions coming my way I would have thought I had been scanned by now. Either not, which I would find strange or I have been and nothing was found.

/OOC

"Now leader think about this logically, even if you do not trust the proof or lack of,

if I speak the truth (and I do) lynching me would deal a serious blow to innocent strength. I don't know how many Illians are left but with the continued killings there are definitely more traitors around.

Now Stuck in Pi on the other hand, has how much strength? Probably a rather low number.

So my logic proposal: You lynch Stuck in Pi tonight, see he is an Illian, you know I'm innocent. We innocents are closer to victory.

If I lie (which I do not) you can always lynch me tomorrow."
 
Even if Stuck in Pi did show up guilty, it wouldn't necessarily exonerate you, Nictel. After all, it'd much better to sacrifice a weak member of your team, and thus make yourself appear innocent, rather than losing your much higher strength.

More likely, though, this is just a desperate ploy to buy yourself more time, in the hope that something will come up to distract us from you.

To put it bluntly, you were scanned, and got caught in an act that proves you lied to us last time you were in the frame. And given the implausibility of your subsequent claims, I see no reason why we should trust you any further.
 
Even if Stuck in Pi did show up guilty, it wouldn't necessarily exonerate you, Nictel. After all, it'd much better to sacrifice a weak member of your team, and thus make yourself appear innocent, rather than losing your much higher strength.

More likely, though, this is just a desperate ploy to buy yourself more time, in the hope that something will come up to distract us from you.

To put it bluntly, you were scanned, and got caught in an act that proves you lied to us last time you were in the frame. And given the implausibility of your subsequent claims, I see no reason why we should trust you any further.

And did the damn scan say I was an Illian? No.
If it wasn't for me Seon would still be killing you all.

Oh and Winston so nice of you to finally say something.
 
if I speak the truth (and I do) lynching me would deal a serious blow to innocent strength. I don't know how many Illians are left but with the continued killings there are definitely more traitors around.

I'd think not, we still have plenty of people with high strength, me being one of them. And I have a protection ability! :lol:

I think we will figure out all the wolves long before the strongest of our group have to get worried.
 
:wallbash: Well done TheLastOne36 not only have you killed a prophet (Love) now they also know choxorn can look what people do AND know you have a protection ability.

Why don't you just hand the victory to the traitors now.

This game can be so frustrating sometimes, then they wonder why I lie.
 
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