Plan for Mosque III...

[MobBoss]

The mosque site isn´t even visible from ground zero, it´s two blocks away, which in NYC is a large distance.

Dude...the previous building that was there was damaged from the debris from 9/11. Thats why they tore it down.

If its close enough to get wrecked by the debris, its pretty darn close.

 

[Leonel]

On the subject, nobody has asked Palin for her birth certificate. We have to make sure she wan't born in Russia. After all, she hasn't denyed that. For all we know she is a Soviet sleeper agent seeking to create a society that is the perfect breeding ground for a resurgance of Bolshevism and Marxism-Leninism.

I seriously believe that the Tea Party Movement is some sort of convoluted Communist plot to either create a hardcore capitalist state that will spark a Communist revolution or reduce our government to nothing as the final goal as explicitly stated in the Communist Manifesto.

But on another branch of this story, here's something related to the mosque in downtown Manhattan;

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/11/nyregion/11mosque.html?_r=1&fta=y

Apparently a mosque in Staten Island isn't far away enough from Ground Zero either. Oh! Here's my favorite part of the article;

The tenor of the inquiry became so fraught that the meeting eventually collapsed in shouting around 11 p.m., prompting the police and security guards to ask everyone to leave.

But just 20 minutes earlier, as Bill Finnegan stood at the microphone, came the meeting’s single moment of hushed silence. Mr. Finnegan said he was a Marine lance corporal, home from Afghanistan, where he had worked as a mediator with warring tribes.

After the sustained standing ovation that followed his introduction, he turned to the Muslims on the panel: “My question to you is, will you work to form a cohesive bond with the people of this community?” The men said yes.

Then he turned to the crowd. “And will you work to form a cohesive bond with these people — your new neighbors?”

The crowd erupted in boos. “No!” someone shouted.

Oh well! I guess every minority group has to have a trial by fire if they are to be accepted in America. Much like the Jews, Catholics, Italians, Germans, Scandinavians, Mormons, Blacks, Hispanics, Chinese, Asians in general, Japanese, Gays... am I missing anyone?

 

[Tee Kay]

Oh well! I guess every minority group has to have a trial by fire if they are to be accepted in America. Much like the Jews, Catholics, Italians, Germans, Scandinavians, Mormons, Blacks, Hispanics, Chinese, Asians in general, Japanese, Gays... am I missing anyone?

Native Americans?

 

[amadeus]

I wonder how both sides would react if they were trying to build a Wal-Mart there. You'd probably see those that want the mosque built, saying that private property needs to be respected, etc. have a cow over it.

I'm not crazy about the idea of building it anywhere, but it's none of my business personally.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

I wonder how both sides would react if they were trying to build a Wal-Mart there. You'd probably see those that want the mosque built, saying that private property needs to be respected, etc. have a cow over it.

I'm not crazy about the idea of building it anywhere, but it's none of my business personally.

as evil as they are, i think most wouldn't try to raise a fuss over it. plus this is isn't an issue that's going down any ideological lines, it seems.

 

[Theige]

Dude...the previous building that was there was damaged from the debris from 9/11. Thats why they tore it down.

If its close enough to get wrecked by the debris, its pretty darn close.

Uh, the currently existing building was built in the 1850s, it was damaged but it was not torn down

Around 1/3 of the buildings in lower Manhattan were damaged on Sept. 11.

 

[Bill3000]

I wonder how both sides would react if they were trying to build a Wal-Mart there. You'd probably see those that want the mosque built, saying that private property needs to be respected, etc. have a cow over it.

I dunno, I generally tend to be more permissible for people to build their places of worship over a mere store, considering the importance of freedom of conscious and all.

 

[ParkCungHee]

I wonder how both sides would react if they were trying to build a Wal-Mart there. You'd probably see those that want the mosque built, saying that private property needs to be respected, etc. have a cow over it.

I'm not crazy about the idea of building it anywhere, but it's none of my business personally.

No, we already have a failed business at the location, we don't need to build a new one.

 

[Theige]

No, we already have a failed business at the location, we don't need to build a new one.

Wal-Mart, a failed business?

Also the former occupant, The Burlington Coat Factory, only ceased operating at the location because of the severe damaged sustained on Sept. 11th, 2001

The Burlington Coat Factory has 450 other locations throughout the US

 

[ParkCungHee]

Wal-Mart, a failed business?

Any attempt to open one in Lower Manhattan would be.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

The Wal-mart straw man card was already played in thread II.

 

[civver_764]

I wonder how both sides would react if they were trying to build a Wal-Mart there. You'd probably see those that want the mosque built, saying that private property needs to be respected, etc. have a cow over it.

I'm not crazy about the idea of building it anywhere, but it's none of my business personally.

Corporations don't have the same rights as religious buildings.

 

[Newbunkle]

Dude...the previous building that was there was damaged from the debris from 9/11. Thats why they tore it down.

If its close enough to get wrecked by the debris, its pretty darn close.

They could build it right on the spot of the WTC and it wouldn't matter because they're not terrorists and had nothing to do with 9/11.

 

[Mise]

Why on Earth shouldn't Wal-mart build a shop in New York? Who would oppose that? And why would it matter if some stupid people opposed it, since it's a constitutionally protected right?

 

[Theige]

Why on Earth shouldn't Wal-mart build a shop in New York? Who would oppose that? And why would it matter if some stupid people opposed it, since it's a constitutionally protected right?

Opposition from New Yorkers

There is currently not a single Wal-Mart within New York City proper, but upwards of 20 in the suburbs.

I'm not sure exactly why this is the case. There are definitely large numbers of low income shoppers in some neighborhoods of NYC.

 

[Newbunkle]

Maybe insurance cover against locally-trained suicide bombers is expensive.

 

[ParkCungHee]

Opposition from New Yorkers

There is currently not a single Wal-Mart within New York City proper, but upwards of 20 in the suburbs.

I'm not sure exactly why this is the case. There are definitely large numbers of low income shoppers in some neighborhoods of NYC.

It's because it's a business model that doesn't work.
Buy a large plot of unused land, build a large, box shaped building on it, place everything someone could need within the box, offer cheap prices from low overhead, and save shoppers the long traveling distance between things otherwise.
You will note that New York City is not big on: Unusued Land, Low Overhead, Long Traveling Distances between things you need. It's like wondering where there are so few Gyro Carts and News Stands in Rural Pennsylvania.

 

[Gwyddelig]

Oh well! I guess every minority group has to have a trial by fire if they are to be accepted in America. Much like the Jews, Catholics, Italians, Germans, Scandinavians, Mormons, Blacks, Hispanics, Chinese, Asians in general, Japanese, Gays... am I missing anyone?

*cough*

 

[aronnax]

Opposition from New Yorkers

There is currently not a single Wal-Mart within New York City proper, but upwards of 20 in the suburbs.

I'm not sure exactly why this is the case. There are definitely large numbers of low income shoppers in some neighborhoods of NYC.

This is what the Wal-Mart Free NYC Coalition is saying.
http://www.walmartfreenyc.com/

Big-box stores lower the standard of living in the communities in which they operate, and Wal-Mart is the worst offender. Wal-Mart pays their employees poverty level wages and offers a health insurance plan that is so bad, many of its employees end up on taxpayer-subsidized state health insurance. They’ve been found guilty of a seemingly endless list of offenses ranging from forcing workers to labor off the clock, to taking out ‘dead peasant’ life insurance policies on their workers without their consent or knowledge with the corporation as the beneficiary, to refusing to pay workers’ compensation and firing those who try to collect.

 

[nonconformist]

Dude...the previous building that was there was damaged from the debris from 9/11. Thats why they tore it down.

If its close enough to get wrecked by the debris, its pretty darn close.

Well, considering the smoke from the Towers wafted effectively over the whole of New York, I guess you're suggesting every last Mosque in the NY region should be torn down?

Much like every single Eastenr Orthodox Churchin Europe was torn down following Chernobyl....oh wait, they weren't