Trump just turned 70. I'm not sure he could do two terms.
Political Prediction Thread
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Zkribbler
Deity
His personal physician has just announced the Trump is the healthiest man ever to run for President.
A curious statement indeed, in light of the fact that Trump wasn't drafted into the Vietnam War due to bone spurs in his feet. Bone spurs never go away, but apparently Trump's have.
MagisterCultuum
Great Sage
I believe Trump avoided the draft due to a bore spur on only one foot, not in both feet. I don't remember which foot it was, and neither does Trump.
His personal physician has just announced the Trump is the healthiest man ever to run for President.
A curious statement indeed, in light of the fact that Trump wasn't drafted into the Vietnam War due to bone spurs in his feet. Bone spurs never go away, but apparently Trump's have.
Jackpot!! Hillary can hammer Trump on his draft dodging, especially since her husband heroically ser...
Oh wait...
Damn
Agreed. The result that actually has great potential to shift the country left, ie "move the Overton Window" is a nationwide repudiation of Trump. If all the people who feel "Meh" about Hillary, and the Democratic Bernie supporters, and the Greens and the BernieorBusters all rally behind for Hillary (in terms of votes, not rhetoric) and give Trump landslide losses in all the "battleground" states and nail-bitters in even the supposedly safe red states... that will force the Republicans left for pure political survival.
Here's hoping
gay_Aleks
from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
Is being a war-hero electable anymore? I feel that after the whole mess in Iraq, it might have become...out of vogue in some constituencies.
onejayhawk
Afflicted with reason
She is on the USA scale of left/right. There were articles last year when she announced. She has run more centrally than her historic politics. The exception is her voting record on military matters, where she is hawkish.
J
Lexicus
Deity
Agreed. The result that actually has great potential to shift the country left, ie "move the Overton Window" is a nationwide repudiation of Trump. If all the people who feel "Meh" about Hillary, and the Democratic Bernie supporters, and the Greens and the BernieorBusters all rally behind for Hillary (in terms of votes, not rhetoric) and give Trump landslide losses in all the "battleground" states and nail-bitters in even the supposedly safe red states... that will force the Republicans left for pure political survival.
Here's hoping
On that note...
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/07/the-white-strategy/485612/?utm_source=atlfb
Basic thrust of this piece is that California Republicans' embrace of nativism in the '90s led them to become a minority in that state, and we're likely witnessing the beginning of the same thing on a national scale with Trump's candidacy.
Here's hoping, indeed.
onejayhawk
Afflicted with reason
What's your point? The USA scale is the only one that is relevant.
Clinton does a better job of fascist than Trump does. She's for central control, a managed economy, hawkish foreign policy, and social services. It's not like the fascists were ever right-wing. The argument is whether or not they were leftists in their day.
J
Lexicus
Deity
onejayhawk said:
Take a history lesson, kid. The fascists were far right, certainly by the standards you're using to define right and left...the Nazis for example governed in a coalition with the DNVP and bitterly (and violently) opposed the SPD and KPD.
Lexicus
Deity
Yeah and that worked really well eh? Fascists are always going to be better at 'direct action,' it's part of what makes them fascists in the first place.
What might have worked better would have been governing in a solid majority coalition with the SPD...but they couldn't put aside their differences and unite against the Nazis.
Hell, the 'far-left' ie Stalinist elements of the KPD were pushing the line that the SPD was really no different from the Nazis...
Fascists aren't fascists because they're good at being violent, they're fascists because they're pieces of gastrointestinal waste product. Antifascist action has indeed helped stop fascists
The SPD was a right-wing party that refused to co-operate with the KPD to oppose the Nazis, so it was only right to oppose them, and some of the primary problems with the KPD - as with many other communist parties in the 20th century - involved them being too influenced by what the Soviet leadership wanted
The SPD was a right-wing party that refused to co-operate with the KPD to oppose the Nazis, so it was only right to oppose them, and some of the primary problems with the KPD - as with many other communist parties in the 20th century - involved them being too influenced by what the Soviet leadership wanted
onejayhawk
Afflicted with reason
That is pure revisionism. If you look at history, you get my point. The Nazi's promoted health care and pensions. They competed for votes with the Communists. On the 1930s political scale, they were left of center. Once they gained power, different tactics came out. Hence the night of the long knives. In Italy and Spain, fascists were also not right wing.
Granted. The fascists were more center-left than, say, the communists. They were still fighting for the same voting bloc.
To get back on point, neither of these two fits the bill. That is the last I will say on the subject.
J
Zkribbler
Deity
Wikipedia agrees with you:
gay_Aleks
from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
duh guys don't you see that the Nazis are far-left
it's in the name: national SOCIALISM
come on open your eyes
it's in the name: national SOCIALISM
come on open your eyes
Trying to collapse all politics ever down to left or right is ridiculous. You might as well start bleating: "four legs good, two legs bad."
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