Got another one: same game (America now turn 366/500). I had 3 wars start about 300 and end around turn 325. So it’s been 41 turns, and everyone still hates me and continues to denounce me for warmongering. I’ve been at peace like 3 generations now! It’s 1945 and I’ve given them all sweet trade deals (my lux for 1 gpt, etc) This is like the equivalent of us calling Germany warmongers nowadays because of Hitler lol. How long before this stops and they start being friendly again?
(Full disclosure, I did take half of Brazil and Spain’s cities, and one of England’s, and force them to cede them all to me in the peace treaty. Plus a lot of gold and great works. Brazil was the only country I had declared war on, using Casus whatever holy war. England and Spain both attacked me!)
Every city you take increases the warmonger penalty you gain (though the penalties are removed if you return them at the end of the war), and a war starting at turn 300 is a very late war. Try to fight most of your wars in the first 200 turns (depending on difficulty level, most AIs will be around the modern era by that time, and warmonger penalties reach their maximum with industrial or modern era, remaining the same after) and try, if you're past Classical Era, to not take more than 2-3 cities at a time if you are not aiming for a domination victory. (if you are, you really need to be an expert on diplomacy in order to remain friends with some civs all the way into the late eras, but if you're going for domination you're not looking at diplomacy anyways)
And to compare with WWII warmongering, all 'cities' Germany took were taken back (and liberated) by the Allies, meaning they ended with no more (less, even) 'cities' than they started with, meaning they only had the 'warmonger penalty' for the original declarations of war.
Questions (Googled, couldn’t find answers)
Do you guys know:
1) GG Eisenhower’s retire ability...is that production boost to your whole empire? Or just the city you retire him in?
2) when you’ve got a religious unit with one spread left can you do anything besides use the last charge or fight other religious units? Like, if I park my missionaries or apostles in opposing holy sites and leave ‘em there...does that have any effect over time?
3) is there any way to trade a conquered city back to its original owner? I’ve tried offering Birmingham back to the English (decades after our peace treaty, due to the bug discussed above on page 91, where everyone has denounced me for decades of peace time, ostensibly for accepting ceded cities in a peace treaty. Or just conquering them.) She never accepts the city, nor have the Spanish accepted Toledo, etc.
Thanks for all your help. Everyone on this forum is super friendly.
1. Considering it's only 5%, I think it's in all cities. In one city it would most likely be more like 20% or even 50%.
2. Just leaving them doesn't do anything. If you have apostles with more than 3 charges, however (due to promotions or wonders or things like that) you can use charges until you have only 3 remaining and then use them to Evangalize Belief or Start Inquisition.
3. Only at the end of the war, otherwise it does not count as trading back a city anymore. A piece of advice: Always trade back at least 1 city at the end of the war (even if you demand others in return) to avoid a permanent steep diplomatic penalty with the civ you conquered cities from. Additionally, cities given to you in peace deals do not count towards warmonger penalties, so conquering 3 cities, then giving them back in exchange for 3 others mean you'll have no warmonger penalties for conquering cities after the war is over (you will have them for declaring the war though, if you did do so, and civs might have denounced you during the war).
And thank the mods for keeping this forum so friendly.
