Random Rants 80: Computer Says No

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Remember back in the day he would get into arguments with someone outside of CFC and then copy their posts here to CFC and present them as his own to steal the response of the CFCers who responded to him?

I once pitted half the regular users here against a whole other forum in a ferocious, thread-spanning argument. You won't take that away from me. :p

Unless it somehow breaks forum rules to mention it, I don't know why you won't tell us more specifics.

I want to get it off my chest, but there are genuinely dangerous thoughts in this world and this is one of them (if telling you didn't break the forum rules, it should).

However, I think I can make an analogy. There's a more moderate type of utilitarian who rejects 'greatest total happiness' in favor of 'greater total happy people'. In other words, the amount of happiness itself isn't a variable; it's just about bringing as many people as possible to a good state of mind. That type is likely to create the kind of results Owen was thinking of.

The other type is the utilitarian who measures the happiness each person experiences and adds it all up without regard for the person. His goal is to maximize the number of those precious, precious utils. Thus, it is possible for a widespread but extremely mild cause of disutility (such as, say, annoyance at snoring across an entire population) to outweigh all the utility of a single person.

So here's the scenario: one day, a special child is born. He is immortal, able to heal from all injury within seconds. As the years pass he becomes a great and mighty hero, beloved of the kingdom's peasantry. However, the king has a vision sent by the gods - the hero is really the product of a curse, and as long as he lives, there will be a slightly higher incidence of snoring across the whole of the kingdom. The only way to negate the curse is to subject the hero to horrific pain. The king knows his duty, for how can the suffering of a single person outweigh the needs of the many? He orders the hero imprisoned beneath his palace, to be tortured for all eternity.

That's not strictly analogous to what the guy said (it was a lot worse than this little yarn, and as I said, not entirely theoretical), but it goes by the same principle.
 
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I take the gamble and pull my lever. If it means saving people I actually care about, I have to take that chance. At least if the other guy pulls his lever too I can say I did everything I could to save my family. Doing nothing and letting my family die would wrack me with guilt for the rest of my life, and I would constantly wonder if I'd still have my family with me if I had pulled the lever.
 
Utilitarians that aren't numbnuts are of the Rule variety.
 
This was compatible with that. Arguably the story is too (as no rule is absolute with utilitarianism).
 
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I lost access to my primary care doctor and endocrinologist.
:twitch: What other options do you have?
I take the gamble and pull my lever. If it means saving people I actually care about, I have to take that chance. At least if the other guy pulls his lever too I can say I did everything I could to save my family. Doing nothing and letting my family die would wrack me with guilt for the rest of my life, and I would constantly wonder if I'd still have my family with me if I had pulled the lever.
Perhaps you have a bit of a ‘man of action’ bias, because in terms of criminal -and civil- responsibility omission is also a form of acting. The classic example is killing somebody by letting them drown.
 
I take the gamble and pull my lever. If it means saving people I actually care about, I have to take that chance. At least if the other guy pulls his lever too I can say I did everything I could to save my family. Doing nothing and letting my family die would wrack me with guilt for the rest of my life, and I would constantly wonder if I'd still have my family with me if I had pulled the lever.

Yes but if the other person pulls the lever and everyone dies, you'll constantly wonder what would happen if you didn't pull the lever.
 
This was compatible with that. Arguably the story is too (as no rule is absolute with utilitarianism).

I bet he had to make a really re-re case that ignores actual real world application to make it "work." As in, it was bull****. There's lots of re-re bull****. Eugenics pre-supposing it actually works, instead of being a perpetual ongoing ****show, even has a "rules" argument to make. But it's a really ****ing stupid argument.
 
Yes but if the other person pulls the lever and everyone dies, you'll constantly wonder what would happen if you didn't pull the lever.

Nah, as I said, I could justify that to myself by reasoning that I at least made an attempt to save my family.
 
I want to get it off my chest, but there are genuinely dangerous thoughts in this world and this is one of them (if telling you didn't break the forum rules, it should).

This sounds like some horror film/book stuff. Words filled with evil that fundamentally change you when you hear them, like they're possessed by demons or something. I just can't believe it's as dangerous as you're saying.
 
I want to get it off my chest, but there are genuinely dangerous thoughts in this world and this is one of them (if telling you didn't break the forum rules, it should).

Will it bring Chtulhu into this world?
Then it cannot really be dangerous. We're on an internet message board at the end, not at the united nations.

And yeah, suffering of one vs suffering of many is complicated.

Related: SMBC #1
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Wikipedia's entry is clearer.

They managed there to really explain differences of absolute vs. relative, and how to consider standard deviations, in a really bad way.
(-> someone should re-write parts of that wiki article)
 
Small rant: Everything is all stuffed up and I'm coughing a bunch. I think I might be coming down with something. :ack:
 
Small rant: Everything is all stuffed up and I'm coughing a bunch. I think I might be coming down with something. :ack:
That sucks. I hope it won't last long and you feel better soon, Aimee
 
Had a good year at university after 2 and a half of failure but now I think I'm back to failure again
I’m celebrating your good year.
 
Mouthwash after reading that analogy I cannot fathom you’ve come up with anything actually horrible.
 
A CNN news story begins:

(CNN)For the first time, astronomers have peered into the atmosphere of an exoplanet -- a planet outside our solar system -- and discovered both water vapor and temperatures that could potentially support life, according to a new study.

The exoplanet, known as K2-18b, is eight times the mass of Earth and known as a super-Earth, or exoplanets between the mass of Earth and Neptune. It orbits a red dwarf star 110 light-years away from Earth in the Leo constellation. The planet was first discovered in 2015 by NASA's Kepler spacecraft.

"K2-18b?" :dubious: Why are scientists so bad at naming planets? :gripe:
 
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