The Absolute Best Reason to Vote for Romney

[hobbsyoyo]

Not that I speak for CH, but yeah. Why does it so often seem to be a problem when people express a doubt over the sincerity of a politician's religious belief without an 8 page dossier of proof?

Let's face it, in 2012 you ain't gonna be elected president of the USA unless you profess some kind of Christian belief. Romney's Mormon beliefs are just passable and frankly only just, helped by the crappy contenders. This will eventually change of course, witness Obama being the first black president.

But combine this with a natural propensity of politicians to be full of it and enough circumstantial evidence to suggest Obama's faith is a tad convenient, yeah, I think he's lying.

And all the better if I want my whiskey from Camikaze.

How many years of active church-going, religious participation and public proclamations that he is a Christian will it take to get you to believe he is Christian?

I would love to believe he's a closet atheist, but the facts just don't support that. In any rate, it's kind of unfair to judge someone as lying about their beliefs when they have acted as a faithful believer and said they believe. You can't know his thoughts, and unless you have evidence to support your claim, it's seriously unfounded and unfair to the man.

By his fruit shall we know if they are a Christian or not. So many times he has gone against clear teachings of Jesus. Surely someone who follows Jesus is a Christian and hence the term. He fails many times by his actions.

Right, liberals are all godless. Enacting liberal policies you disagree with makes them godless too.

Get out child

 

[classical_hero]

Right, liberals are all godless. Enacting liberal policies you disagree with makes them godless too.

Get out child

Not all liberal policies are bad, just that the issue of homosexuality and human life are ones that are clearly defined in the Bible that going against them shows serious lack of judgement.

 

[JollyRoger]

By his fruit shall we know if they are a Christian or not.

Yep - some here have an entire orchard disproving their self-proclaimed Christianity.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Not all liberal policies are bad, just that the issue of homosexuality and human life are ones that are clearly defined in the Bible that going against them shows serious lack of judgement.

So you believe his stance is a sin, even though he and others do not? Who made you the pope?

And since when does being a sinner make one not a Christian?

 

[Arakhor]

Not all liberal policies are bad, just that the issue of homosexuality and human life are ones that are clearly defined in the Bible that going against them shows serious lack of judgement.

It's a good thing then that the US Constitution specifically forbids decisions being made that rely on religious doctrine. Violating the US Constitution to appease certain Australians really would be a serious lack of judgement.

 

[JollyRoger]

Plus, I do not recall Jesus saying anything about homosexuality or abortion.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Or obtuse Australians getting to decide who really believes in him.

 

[Leoreth]

Not all liberal policies are bad, just that the issue of homosexuality and human life are ones that are clearly defined in the Bible that going against them shows serious lack of judgement.

It shows serious lack of care for definitions given by the Bible, which is a widespread opinion even among other Christians. But I guess these are not really Christians either?

By his fruit shall we know if they are a Christian or not. So many times he has gone against clear teachings of Jesus. Surely someone who follows Jesus is a Christian and hence the term. He fails many times by his actions.

Did Jesus write the Bible? Serious question.

Also, you can't really refute my accusation that you're committing a no true Scotsman fallacy by reiterating said fallacy.

 

[Rashiminos]

We need someone who is willing to cut taxes AND spending. That isn't happening this year unless you vote Libertarian. And so that is exactly what you should do, even if it won't win the election for you because there aren't enough people like you.

vclim

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Classical Hero:
He hates Jesus this I know, for Bill Riley told me so.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

By his fruit shall we know if they are a Christian or not. So many times he has gone against clear teachings of Jesus. Surely someone who follows Jesus is a Christian and hence the term. He fails many times by his actions.

All politicians do.

Not all liberal policies are bad, just that the issue of homosexuality and human life are ones that are clearly defined in the Bible that going against them shows serious lack of judgement.

So is going against the many more verses about self-righteousness.

 

[bhsup]

I freely ignore anyone who says that you need to be a Trinitarian to be a Christian, even if billions of people would agree with them and that leaves VRCW and I in a minority of two.

(btw, NOT unitarian universalists!!!)

 

[warpus]

She was mocking all the idiots who think that he's muslim

 

[Ailedhoo]

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...-shell-strip-onstage-if-wins/?intcmp=features



The sheer thought of her actually going forward on this promise should drive people to vote for Mitt in droves.

Because the comments of one voter is the reason to vote for a man who publicly declared he would not care for a high portion of the population.

Not all liberal policies are bad, just that the issue of homosexuality and human life are ones that are clearly defined in the Bible that going against them shows serious lack of judgement.

The Bible also says slavery is ok in some passages. If your on about abortion then it is a system of not defined in the Bible I am afraid to inform thee.

O and the Bible is not the sole source of morality (sources include empathy) or the only religius text, not that you need one to be moral.

 

[classical_hero]

Have you heard of an eye for and eye and tooth for a tooth? If you have then you are referring to punishment happening upon those who have caused harm to an unborn child in the Bible. So much so that if the child is stillborn, i.e. dead, then death would be prescribed the individual that caused the harm. There are many other such passages that show that God refers unborn children as valid members of humanity.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Have you heard of an eye for and eye and tooth for a tooth? If you have then you are referring to punishment happening upon those who have caused harm to an unborn child in the Bible. So much so that if the child is stillborn, i.e. dead, then death would be prescribed the individual that caused the harm. There are many other such passages that show that God refers unborn children as valid members of humanity.

All of which prove Obama is not a Christian. Gotcha.

 

[Ailedhoo]

Have you heard of an eye for and eye and tooth for a tooth?

Yep. It is said that a eye for a eye makes the whole world blind.

If you have then you are referring to punishment happening upon those who have caused harm to an unborn child in the Bible. So much so that if the child is stillborn, i.e. dead, then death would be prescribed the individual that caused the harm. There are many other such passages that show that God refers unborn children as valid members of humanity.

The BBC has no information on what passages link to abortion. Now the BBC are among the best in gathering information on matters like this. The only information I see is the views of certain church figures then a passage.

...and may we not derail this thread into let another abortion thread?

 

[hobbsyoyo]

But I thought it was an Obama-is-AntiChrist thread?
Surely abortion is directly related to 666bama

 

[Cutlass]

So you are discounting how the billions of Muslims think on this planet?

It is irrelevant what they think. It matters nothing what they think. You do not get to compel another person to be part of your religion.

Only 1 person in this world has any say at all about what Obama's religion is, and that is Obama.

Literally every other person who says otherwise can frak off.

Remember, we've been over this before. If other people can say what religion someone is, then Classical Hero is not a Christian. So you need to be really careful if you want to open that door.

 

[Leoreth]

Have you heard of an eye for and eye and tooth for a tooth?

Have you heard of the many other things the bible advocates? I've shown this clip a couple of times already but that's because the same nonsense comes up over and over again.


Link to video.

Apparently there never has been even one "proper" Christian president. Or all that many proper Christians in the modern age, for that matter. Fortunately, I may add.