Domen
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In which country ??? Or you are asking for global scale data ???
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OK maybe let's come back on topic, this thread is supposed to be about Antisemitism.
The last Antisemitic Events
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In which country ??? Or you are asking for global scale data ???
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OK maybe let's come back on topic, this thread is supposed to be about Antisemitism.
Ziggy Stardust
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I wish it was that easy.
My father is gay.
Without ADL approval, probably so.
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I was just leading the witness to see how far they would go in their point. Seeing as how these threads today seem to be overlapping each other, was trying to get this one back on track, but that may be impossible.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
We have a thread about CFC, and we let Domen turn it into an extended rant about how Jews leftists are destroying Western civilisation.
I can only express my disappointment.
I can only express my disappointment.
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Domen
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Western Europe is the nest of Fascists and Anti-Semites:
Tahuti
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Do my eyes deceive me, or do the same posts pop up in different threads from time to time?
No, they do.
Western Europe is the nest of Fascists and Anti-Semites:
Front National and FPÖ have long ceased to be antisemitic and the Danish Peoples' Party was strongly Pro-Israel from its inception.
That's a strawman, not even Israelis think everything Israel does is 100% justified. The crux is that criticism to Israel is levied for the same policies that are considered justified, even necessary, to keep Israelis safe. When people think particular criticism of Israel as antisemitic, it is often because such is perceived as a condemnation for Israel's right to defend as criminal. Denying Israel of its right to defend itself is of course not antisemitic persée, and no one here on CFC is truly antisemitic, yet I find it strange people feel offended when they are labelled as potential antisemites: Few people who criticise Israel actually have suffered from Israel's actions what those may be, so the perceived connection is understandable.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
Jean-Marie Le Pen was the head of Front National until 2011. It seems naive in the extreme to think that the younger Le Pen has turned the organisation from its decades-old bigotries in merely three years.
Pro-Zionist hardly precludes anti-Semitism. Believing that a people should be concentrated in small, far away country doesn't imply any particular affection for them, even if a part of that population agrees with you. Very few gentile Zionists are Zionists for the sake of the Jews.
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Well, I'm not certain whether FN is a strong(wo)man organisation like the Dutch PVV, or is more institutionalised like the established political parties. If the former is the case, radically U-turning on political positions is not unplausible at all.
Last I checked, the Danish peoples' party didn't argue for encouraging or forcing migration of Jews to Israel. Besides, Pro-Zionist antisemites (which definitely do exist) are fairly mild. When a person is openly Anti-Zionist, yet doesn't want Jews in his country (like Neo-Nazis), then you have to be really, really worried.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
Le Pen seems to wield more influence than mainstream party leaders, but it's not the sort of one man band we see with the PVV or UKIP. The party has fairly robust local institutions for this sort of party, and it's not at all obvious that a change in strategy by the leadership actually reflects any particular change in the attitudes of its membership.
Would they need to? Denmark has a Jewish population of less than nine thousand, less than 0.2% of the population. It would be enough to make the country inhospitable to Jews, to encourage them either to leave or totally assimilate.
CuddlyBear
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I am anti-Judaism. I find Judaism and the other Abrahamic religions Christianity and Islam to be completely disgusting religions. YHWH is a monstrous racist genocidal tyrant. In leading the Israelites to their Promised Land Yahweh commands his followers to conquer every city and to kill every non-Israelite, except a few, as a sacrificial offering to him. The Israelites do this in their murderous quest for lebensraum. ... and I'm the one immoral for not believing in your _just_, _forgiving_ and _loving_ god. The whole cult of the God's chosen people and the promised land is just too disgusting. Your religion makes me sick.
Joshua 1
The destruction of Jericho in Joshua 6
Why the donkeys?! Leave the donkeys alone! The cute little donkeys did no wrong. ;_;
The destruction of Ai in Joshua 8
This goes on and on in the Bible or Tanakh or whatever you call it. Israelites murdering whole cities in the name of their God and with the help of their God. *barf* There are of course plenty of other things I find immoral about the Bible but this is the thing that just seems the worst to me, God's chosen people and their murderous rampage for their Promised Land. After all this genocidal slaughter the Israelites promise to worship this Yahweh even more.
If I were a believer I would say anyone worshipping this God as their one true God is worshipping some kind of Satan himself. imho "But but but it's the Old Testament, it doesn't apply blah blah blah it's not literal blah blah blah" It's still the same God you're worshipping. No wonder Christians pick and choose what they like, what is literal and what is not. You can interpret the Bible any way you like and ignore anything you don't like. No wonder many don't even bother reading the Word of their God. They believe what they want to believe reading the Bible would actually challenge that. Then they come saying no to gay-marriage and what not because their holy book says so. You can shove your book, your morals and hypocrisy where the sun don't shine.
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Joshua 1
The destruction of Jericho in Joshua 6
Why the donkeys?! Leave the donkeys alone! The cute little donkeys did no wrong. ;_;
The destruction of Ai in Joshua 8
This goes on and on in the Bible or Tanakh or whatever you call it. Israelites murdering whole cities in the name of their God and with the help of their God. *barf* There are of course plenty of other things I find immoral about the Bible but this is the thing that just seems the worst to me, God's chosen people and their murderous rampage for their Promised Land. After all this genocidal slaughter the Israelites promise to worship this Yahweh even more.
If I were a believer I would say anyone worshipping this God as their one true God is worshipping some kind of Satan himself. imho "But but but it's the Old Testament, it doesn't apply blah blah blah it's not literal blah blah blah" It's still the same God you're worshipping. No wonder Christians pick and choose what they like, what is literal and what is not. You can interpret the Bible any way you like and ignore anything you don't like. No wonder many don't even bother reading the Word of their God. They believe what they want to believe reading the Bible would actually challenge that. Then they come saying no to gay-marriage and what not because their holy book says so. You can shove your book, your morals and hypocrisy where the sun don't shine.
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Thank you for bringing the thread back to tracks
About the FN: I remember her father being Holocaust Denier (or accused being one), I don't know about her though.
According to what I know, the Right-Winged parties are mainly targeting the Muslim Immigrants, and as far as I know, the Muslims are more Antisemitic than other people (it's a generalization, but most of the last known Terror acts against Jews were executed by Muslims, actually, almost all of them) but sometimes they targeting other minorities as well (Including Jews)...
*Judaism isn't just a religion nowadays, and many Jews (more than a half I guess) don't believe in the Bible (Torah) as it was written, in fact the main thing that determinate the laws of the religion is the Halacha, which written much much later. The whole historical context is in great debate to be honest (many researchers believe that it was written the the Kingdom of Judea, and the section before 1 kings lacks in evidence) and it does have some historic value (most of the later events in the books are real) but it shows them in a really certain pattern in order to teach "Follow God" rather than history.
About the FN: I remember her father being Holocaust Denier (or accused being one), I don't know about her though.
According to what I know, the Right-Winged parties are mainly targeting the Muslim Immigrants, and as far as I know, the Muslims are more Antisemitic than other people (it's a generalization, but most of the last known Terror acts against Jews were executed by Muslims, actually, almost all of them) but sometimes they targeting other minorities as well (Including Jews)...
*Judaism isn't just a religion nowadays, and many Jews (more than a half I guess) don't believe in the Bible (Torah) as it was written, in fact the main thing that determinate the laws of the religion is the Halacha, which written much much later. The whole historical context is in great debate to be honest (many researchers believe that it was written the the Kingdom of Judea, and the section before 1 kings lacks in evidence) and it does have some historic value (most of the later events in the books are real) but it shows them in a really certain pattern in order to teach "Follow God" rather than history.
So I'm only allowed to criticize Israel's policies if I have directly suffered from them? That is some pretty flawed logic right there. If any government takes action that I do not agree with, it is my right as an individual to voice that disagreement, whether I have any connection to that government's actions or not.
And no reasonable person wants to deny Israel's right to defend themselves. Most of the criticism comes from Israel's usually heavy-handed response to situations that could be solved with either diplomacy or a much smaller application of force. Yet it seems like anyone who suggests that or suggests that Israel should stop setting up settlements in Palestinian territory or posts video and pictures of Israeli soldiers committing crimes against the Palestinian people gets labeled as an anti-Semite. From what I have noticed, this seems to come more from Jews outside of Israel rather than the Israelis themselves.
Basically if you try to expose anything negative about the Israelis and portray them in any light other than a positive one, there are certain segments of the Jewish community that will label you an anti-Semite. That to me is pretty outrageous and offensive, because I am essentially being labeled a bigot for voicing legitimate concerns about the actions of the Israeli government.
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