We need better animals!

However, what you're seeing aren't ordinary bears. Ever read golden compass? Yeah, those are ARMORED BEARS, and they will tear you up!

Damn I was just about to pedantically point out something TMIT got wrong, then I find the american title of the book is the Golden Compass. Grr.

...(in all seriousness, bears can and do kill people. Some are > 1000 pounds and could probably kill tigers. I'm not sure which kills people more often, but either can be pretty lethal).

Bears are pretty lethal, but they don't attack people very much. You should go read Bill Bryson's "A Walk in the Woods". If you want to read some scary stuff about bears. Basically you are ok if you put your food in a sack and hang it from a tree about 50 yards from the camp. They don't eat people, but they DO like people food. And if you happen to be in the way they will kill you while hardly noticing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly_bear has some more stuff.
 
From a gameplay perspective, we don't need better animals or more animals. The current animals are unrealistic and worsen the game, IMO. I understand this thread is more or less just for fun, but I'm just saying...

As for water animals, even if realistic ones were found and included, I don't think they'd have much effect on gameplay. Work boats are consumed when they build improvements, so their life span is a few turns at the most...it's unlikely an animal would just happen to strike right at that time. And other boats are strong enough to survive easily, provided that the animals are given realistic strength. There is no way any water animal could be given anything higher than 1 strength, as that would put them on the level of a Galley, and it's obvious that a galley with people on board would not be destroyed by sharks or anything else of that sort.

Sharks don't eat boats in real life, and lions/wolves/panthers/bears don't eat armed parties of warriors in real life. The latter scenario is in civ4, so why not the former?
The latter scenario is in Civ4, but shouldn't be...
 
I want a flying giant bird --- to get airships :D:D
That why when the IA gets airships before i do i will have some help from my barb friends :D
 
:rolleyes:

You speak of "basis of truth", and only yesterday you were prattling on about the scourge of man-eating bears. Way to be consistent.

I beg your pardon? Grizzlies have been known to kill people on a number of occasions. That's a basis of truth for the game. How exactly is that contrary to what I'm saying? Frankly, by the tone of your posts, I'd say you're just trying to pick a fight. Sorry, but I'm not in the mood for a flame war.
 
I beg your pardon? Grizzlies have been known to kill people on a number of occasions. That's a basis of truth for the game. How exactly is that contrary to what I'm saying?

I provided evidence that Tigers are a much bigger threat to humans in support of my suggestion to replace Bears with Tigers. You have failed to provide any reference for any of your claims about man-eating bears, despite my asking for one in post 5 of this thread. Either back up your claims or back out of the thread, please. Or be entertaining.

Frankly, by the tone of your posts, I'd say you're just trying to pick a fight.

Frankly, I'm just sick of reading the same unsupported claims from you, over and over.

Sorry, but I'm not in the mood for a flame war.

:lol:

You, not in the mood for a flame war? All you do on these boards is be a :):):):) in everyone's cut.

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We can't ignore womabts any longer. Their attacks grow in number and severity! :eek:
hey - that was my story and already reported it on the prior page!
 
Yeah right! :rolleyes:

When was the last time you heard of a Shark eating a boat? You've been watching too much Jaws.



Don't ever wander around in Grizzly territory, you've obviously been lulled into a false sense of security. Not only are they omnivores, but they're highly territorial. Same with Polar Bears. Even ordinary Black/Brown bears will snack on humans from time to time.

If memory serves, it either the black bear or the grissly bear is is one of the few species in the world that has been known to activly hunt humans.
Note: grizzlies hunting humans is EXTREMELY EXTREMELY EXTREMELY rare but it has been known to happen. What is much more common is that they will attack because they were startled, pertecting young, or chasing a hunter (or unlucky garbage man) off of a food source.
 
If one gets mauled to death, I have to imagine that they wouldn't care much about the reasoning, and if that isn't true beforehand it certainly is afterward.

Let's just say that the reach that ANY animal can kill a settling party is far greater than any difference in whether tigers or bears are more dangerous. One might as well make ant eaters and eagles go off killing people too.
 
No readers of PVPOnline? I was half expecting a suggestion of a Giant Panda unit. +200 vs the Brent unit.
 
What about Mythic Creatures up till the classical era?

Kraken in deeper waters.
Scylla/Charibdis in a strait near land.
And the legendary Sea of Worms.

These could be toggled on and off in addition to or in place of regular animals.
 
The only recorded deaths of humans caused by Orcas have been during captivity (perhaps 3 ?). That tells me that they are smart enough to let us alone or not leave any witnesses, unless they have nothing to lose.

"I had job before this, I had a job before this. Ultimately, it was that job that drove me into this. I worked at an aquarium, an aquarium with lots of money from the government so it was HUUUGGEE! I uh I was a clean n' scrub man we called each other in the C n' S union. I scrubbed the inside of the killer whale tank. The, and after a while the boys in the C n' S or clean n' scrub we just sort of made it one word: the killer whale tank, the killer whale tank uh, the killer whale tank uh. I'm going into the killer whale tank UH yeah. I got along with these two big beasts so well, it was like they knew me they looked at me with their hundred year old eyes and it was like they knew me. High, I'd put on my SCUBA gear, my mask, my regulator, {breath} and I'd fall into the tank with nary a sound maybe a pfftt. And then I was underwater. Sometimes, I'd jump out, right in front of the window when people are expecting a killer whale and they see a human, they get spooked. Spooked. Anyway I'd do that. But I was in the water this particular day, unbeknownst to me, Shamu and Bartholomew, their relationship had grown stale, seems I was going in there so much and looking so good, Shamu took a shining to me, and they're so smart those things ya know they've got all these human emotions, love, lust, GREED, hundred year old eye jealousy. Bartholomew was LIVID. Unbeknownst to me I can't hear a goddamn thing underwater. He came up he was bumping up against me a lot. The stale, killerwhale, bumping up against someone so pale and frail. How was I to know the killerwhale whose relationship had gone stale, well, he brushes up against me sometimes, skin's like sandpaper I say "Hey man, Bartholomew what's up? What's up? What's going on big fella? What is it? What is it? I, I don't wanna steal your mommy, and I sure don't want to take the place of your daddy, I only want to be your friend." And he circled around and I thought we were all patched up and I was scrubbing and he took my- he came up, he came up, he came up, he ripped my left arm off. I mean the killer whale they're beasts of the deep they're I mean they're quite docile and friendly in captivity but somewhere along the line, the thousands of years of breeding just snapped and he took my left arm, man he took my left arm, took my friggin' left arm. "Wha-What is it Bartholomew?" I spoke to him in a language he could understand, as I came back."


-Gord Downie, sang in the middle of New Orleans is Sinking randomly at one concert.
 
What about Mythic Creatures up till the classical era?

Kraken in deeper waters.
Scylla/Charibdis in a strait near land.
And the legendary Sea of Worms.

These could be toggled on and off in addition to or in place of regular animals.

If I am correct I have seen this Kraken creature in the Thoma's War mod. It shows up not very often and it has 6 :strength: and 2 :move: although do not quote me on the :strength:. Anyway, quite the fun creature to chase around with the caravels.
 
In desert regions, maybe jackals? Cannot attack, but have 3 :move:. They go in, pillage a resource, and go out again. And since I have never heard of jackals attacking mines, make them be able to enter only flatland territory without forests (since most mines are on hills). But farms and pastures get raided regularly in the southwest USA and in some of the sub-Saharan Africa regions (though by a different animal, I forget which, but it is a cousin.)

So something like hyena/jackal/coyote? 1 :strength:, 3 :move:?

And if we're talking mythical creatures, take one out of Terry Pratchett.

Swamp Dragon. 2 :strength: 1 :move:. Move very randomly, attacking only if a unit happens to be on the square. Has a 10 % chance of exploding each turn, damaging all units within 1 tile of it. When attacked, explodes, doing 90% damage to the attacking unit (10% to armored units. Some realism, ok). But if you have coal, you can train 'Dragon Trainer' (non-combat unit with 2 :move:) who can move onto a tile with a dragon, thus capturing it and making it like a pet. Dragon's chance to explode reduced to 4% per turn. Automatically explodes if attacked by anything, doing normal damage to both the trainer and the attacker. So if you have several dragon pets, you could theoretically take out a fairly large stack of units. No? Too far? Ok.

Sorry, my imagination kind of got away from me.
 
Do Panthers actually exist?

Mountain lions are panthers.

I've seen several bears in the wild. If you don't charge them and try to kidnap their offspring, they'll probably leave you alone. Humans despite being puny look pretty big at 6 feet tall.
 
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