2020 US Election (Part 3)

[Lemon Merchant]

Moderator Action: OK. Everyone is going to be a little more civil from this point forward yes? If not, the thread closes. We've had enough.

 

[FriendlyFire]

It cant be the orange ones fault.
The required mental gynmestic required to blame the media is amazing to witness anything to avoid taking personal responsbiblity being the Cornavirus Task force head.

Pence Thinks Media Was ‘Crying Wolf’ on COVID-19—as Death Toll Zooms Past 250,000: Report

Vice President Mike Pence, the head of the Trump administration’s Coronavirus Task Force, blamed Americans’ potentially blasé response to the new surge of COVID-19 cases on the media “crying wolf,” according to Bloomberg. Pence made the comments in a Tuesday meeting of the task force, Bloomberg reported. It’s just the group’s second meeting this month, as cases surge at an unprecedented rate; the nationwide death toll from the virus surpassed 250,000 earlier this week

https://www.thedailybeast.com/pence...f-on-covid-19-as-death-toll-zooms-past-250000

 

[Joij21]

Where did I say I was rallying around Trump? Where?

FORMER Anti-SWJ, recovering red pill addict.

Or so you claim.

Moderator Action: Let's keep the name calling to a minimum, please --LM

I have not even been on the board for months.

Well you certainly were here around election time. Hence the Italian Comparison.

Right now, I’m of the view of the WWII Italians that are now fed up with Mussolini and want him chucked out and join the allied side. Though it’s looking more like being a Japanese military brass who’s more level headed and realist who wants to concede and forge rapprochement while having to fight back a zealot military junta who refuses to surrender.

I’m not falling into the optimism trap that most people are in and not recognizing other possible outcomes that are likely to happen as they celebrate in the streets while stomping on Cheetos. I’m a realist and I recognize that Trump may have wild cards in his deck that he can use to pull off a win, even if the odds are small.

I'd say it's foolish to think Trump has a chance at this point. His lawyers barley have a case and the evidence of voter fraud dwindles drastically by the day to the point were they currently don't have a case anymore.

Sure he could do something illegal. As illegality is the only possibility Trump has on his side right now. But of course if he does that he'll most likely get shot, hence why people other than you aren't worrying too much.

Biden is the President Elect. Coup or no coup Trump will be removed from office come January. He can either do this the easy way or the hard way, but either way he ain't staying regardless the scenario.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Trump speaks

(CNN)President Donald Trump told an ally that he knows he lost, but that he is delaying the transition process and is aggressively trying to sow doubt about the election results in order to get back at Democrats for questioning the legitimacy of his own election in 2016, especially with the Russia investigation, a source familiar with the President's thinking told CNN on Thursday.

The President's refusal to concede, as CNN has previously reported, stems in part from his perceived grievance that Hillary Clinton and former President Barack Obama undermined his own presidency by saying Russia interfered in the 2016 election and could have impacted the outcome, people around him have said.

Trump continues to hold a grudge against those who he claims undercut his election by pointing to Russian interference efforts, and he has suggested it is fair game to not recognize Joe Biden as the President-elect, even though Clinton conceded on election night in 2016 and the Trump transition was able to begin immediately....

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/19/politics/trump-democrats-election/index.html

 

[GenMarshall]

FORMER Anti-SWJ, recovering red pill addict.

Or so you claim.

Are you just going to set up strawmen and attack me? Or are you just going to actually attack the argument? Because I’m not entertaining this straw man attack.

Well you certainly were here around election time. Hence the Italian Comparison.

Me coming back to the forum on Election Day has nothing to do with the argument.

Sure he could do something illegal. As illegality is the only possibility Trump has on his side right now. But of course if he does that he'll most likely get shot, hence why people other than you aren't worrying too much.

At least I’m aware of the possibilities that it may happen and not get overly disappointed with the results that may happen between now and December 14th. If Trump wins through a contingent election, don’t come crying to me because I warned you about it earlier. I’m not gonna be the one screaming up in the sky if Biden looses.

Biden is the President Elect. Coup or no coup Trump will be removed from office come January. He can either do this the easy way or the hard way, but either way he ain't staying regardless the scenario.

If, and this is a big IF, Biden wins the electoral college and Trump doesn’t trigger a contingency election.

 

[Joij21]

If, and this is a big IF, Biden wins the electoral college and Trump doesn’t trigger a contingency election.

He can't. You can only do that if there is an electoral college tie. Except Biden won the ECs by a landslide, so impossible.

At least I’m aware of the possibilities that it may happen and not get overly disappointed with the results that may happen between now and December 14th. If Trump wins through a contingent election, don’t come crying to me because I warned you about it earlier. I’m not gonna be the one screaming up in the sky if Biden looses.

Since a contingent election is a literal impossibility now the only way he could "win" is if he illegally refuses to step down from office. And yet you wouldn't at least be somewhat concerned but rather complacent? Complacent that your precious republic could very well get sodomized by the orange man into all oblivion?

 

[Arwon]

At that point just making the incipient ethnostate official will probably make a lot of these people happy.

 

[Joij21]

Trump speaks



https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/19/politics/trump-democrats-election/index.html

Not confirmed yet. Better to hear it come from his own trash lips then from some cowardly staff member hiding behind a desk.

 

[Takhisis]

Well, the election will be officially over whenever the US Electoral College meets, so that could be a good point in time to officially close the threads.

 

[Kyriakos]

Trump speaks



https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/19/politics/trump-democrats-election/index.html

"Donald Trump told an ally that" somehow doesn't sound very convincing. No name = no story.

 

[Ajidica]

At that point just making the incipient ethnostate official will probably make a lot of these people happy.

I, for one, look forward to the discussions among the ethnostate crowd as to whether Jews are white.
Let someone else besides the left have a circular firing squad.

Well, the election will be officially over whenever the US Electoral College meets, so that could be a good point in time to officially close the threads.

Time to create 2024 Election-Because We Have A Problem; or the the 2022 Election - Because Our Problem is Manageable?

 

[Kaitzilla]

Thirdly, why should 73 million Americans accept Biden to be president (assuming all the issues are ironed out, gone through the electoral college proceed, and sworn in in January 20th)?

Trump just needed +10500 votes in Arizona, +13000 votes in Georgia, and +21000 votes in Wisconsin to reach the 269 EV tie.
Congress would have given Trump the Presidency in that scenario.
https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/results/president

Pretty great result for the Republicans considering Biden got 6 million more votes in the meaningless grand total.
It is unreal how many people Trump got to vote for him and vote against him.

Yeah we're pretty much fully doomed, it's wild

The future of this country starts @2:00!

Stammering around and claiming massive voter fraud when every reputable media outlet has found zero proof, when the Chief of Elections Security (one who was appointed by the current President) in clear language said this is the most secure election in history, and when every Judge who has heard a case has thrown it out. You have gone far outside the bounds of our democratic values. This continued nonsense is damaging to our democracy. The path from the destruction of our Republic to a full blown dictatorship is a short one, discarded fair election results is step one. If somehow the sitting President were to get the results thrown out by some overly zealous Republican Judge or Justices, we would no longer have our Republic. It is time to accept the results as all of his predecessors have and begin the transition of power, to fail to do this is damaging to us all, Republican, Democrat and Independent. We are a Republic, one which was fought for by generations past and who a great many as Lincoln said "gave the last full measure of devotion". This insanity must stop as every moment it continues you dishonor those fallen in defense of this great nation, you dishonor the ideals upon which this nation was founded, and you dishonor every value we as Americans hold dear.

This is not us, this is not what we aspire to be, this is not how we conduct ourselves, this is not what our forefathers had envisioned. We are better than this!

Welcome back Colonel!

Here is the latest press conference.

And here are the latest poll numbers.
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/sto...rumps-absurd-allegations-about-election-fraud

A Reuters/Ipsos poll found that 52% of Republicans thought that Trump had “rightfully won” the election. A Politico/Morning Consult poll served up an even more alarming result: 70% of Republicans don’t believe the election was “free and fair.” A Monmouth University poll found that 77% of Trump supporters attribute Biden’s victory to fraud. An Economist/YouGov poll found that 4 in 5 of Trump‘s supporters believe fraud changed the outcome nationally.

As near as I can tell, the voter fraud is based all on statistical anomalies.
So no proof.

I would point out that the Republicans promised months ago that Bill Burr and John Durham would get to the bottom of the Russia Collusion conspirators.

An opposing viewpoint.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ed-russia-evidence-ex-nsc-chief-of-staff-says

Will see if the Durham investigation provides any evidence by summer's end.

Zero! Nada! Zilch!

Rudy better have the goods this time!

 

[Kaitzilla]

Just in! GA hand recount is just in. Biden won!

Biden has won, yup.

Ever notice how the errors always seem to be in one direction though?
https://www.npr.org/sections/live-u...es-hand-recount-results-affirming-bidens-lead

The full hand recount of the state's 5 million presidential votes resulted in a narrowing of Biden's lead over President Trump in Georgia, but not nearly enough to change the result.
He started out with a 14,000 vote lead, and now leads by just over 12,000 votes.

The polls are the biggest offender this year.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...it-might-mean-for-other-kinds-of-survey-work/

The fact that the polling errors were not random, and that they almost uniformly involved underestimates of Republican rather than Democratic performance, points to a systematic cause or set of causes. At this early point in the post-election period, the theories about what went wrong fall roughly into four categories, each of which has different ramifications for the polling industry.

 

[Patine]

FORMER Anti-SWJ, recovering red pill addict.

Or so you claim.

Better to have escaped the Matrix without taking the Red OR Blue Pills. But then, by Binary Bode purists, you MUST be a Rogue Program and NOT Freed Mind - nothing else can be remotely possible to such viewpoints.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Biden has won, yup.

Ever notice how the errors always seem to be in one direction though?
https://www.npr.org/sections/live-u...es-hand-recount-results-affirming-bidens-lead

The polls are the biggest offender this year.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...it-might-mean-for-other-kinds-of-survey-work/

Close races are the only ones that get recounts so they are a special subset of all races. I'd have to see data on recounts over the past 50 years to make a judgement about direction. Anecdotal info from Florida in 2000 says that a state recount would have given the victory to Gore, but the narrow focus of the lawsuit prevented that from happening and 500 votes decided it. But who knows.

Yes, polling again took it on the chin. Twice in a row they messed up badly.

 

[Patine]

I mean arguably all US presidents are illegitimate but that's settler colonialism for ya

Or, Sovereign Citizen/Freeman on the Land/Posse Cometus says all U.S. President after Buchanan, I believe, are "Constitutionally illegitimate." Also, certain militant Native American Rights groups and those who say the transition the Articles of Confederation to the U.S. Constitution was illegal also believe all U.S. Presidents are illegitimate. It's not exclusively the Settler Colonists (like the United Empire Loyalists, or Tories as they were called by American Revolutionaries, who would not live under the new Republic, packed up after the Treaty of Paris in 1789 and moved to the Province of Nova Scotia (the 14th Colony), the (Old) Province of Quebec (where the failed Continental Army invasions failed to rally the French Canadiens), and Newfoundland (the "forgotten colony," of that struggle), where New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island (and briefly Cape Breton Island) were made as separate Colonial Provinces from Nova Scotia, and (Old) Quebec was divided into the Provinces of Upper and Lower Canada, and the United Empire Loyalists were rewarded for their loyalty by the Crown with a LOT of free land, and Provincial Charters for the new Provinces reminiscent of the Provincial Charters of the 13 Colonies before the American Revolution, and from this root, by 1867, the Dominion of Canada was formed - just in case anyone here wondered the roots of where Canada comes from and why it exists separately from the United States (that last lesson far moreso for many American posters, than you @Arwon, even I am quoting your post to bounce it off of).

 

[El_Machinae]

Ever notice how the errors always seem to be in one direction though?

Yep. There's an explanation

Trump rigged the election, his own words

 

[Patine]

I, for one, look forward to the discussions among the ethnostate crowd as to whether Jews are white.

Jews are an ETHNICITY, CULTURE, and RELIGIOUS GROUP coterminously (that used to be a lot more of a common conflation in Antiquity and many Pre-Colonial Indigenous Cultures then it is now), but, during the Diaspora, they obviously have members of many races, largely based on the Disapora group, from Central/Eastern European, Mediterranean, Middle Eastern, Central Asian (the Khazar Khaganate - or at least their ruling class, as evidence shows the empire itself, as a whole, remained multi-confessional, though just how much Turkic blood remains in any modern Jews is a topic of debate, and even consternation), and even African (mostly East African, but allegedly an isolated Southern African group), and even South Asian, and East Asian (the Mumbai and Shanghai communities).

 

[Patine]

And also every close Republican win is basically tainted by decades of entrenched racialised voter suppression which in one of *those* countries would be criticised as an electoral system rendered barely democratic by ethnic chauvinism, so there's definitely also that.

Even 1868?

Which, of course, brings up the nature of the Democratic Party of the United States from it's foundation in 1828 until 1932, and in it's Sothern Affiliates, as late, in some cases, as the 1980's (Robert Byrd was Senator from West Virginia until his death in 2012).

 

[Arwon]

Even 1868?

Especially 1868