2020 US Election (Part 3)

[hobbsyoyo]

Is he within an automatic recount? I guess it wouldn’t matter since he’d basically have to flip every state still being counted which seems almost an impossibility.

Not sure what GA's laws are vis a vis an automatic recount, but the margin is low enough for Trump to request one.

 

[Patine]

Except people are a result of their circumstances and how society treats them and that phrase does nothing to address the reality that for decades minorities have been and still are effectively 2nd-3rd class citizens still subject to both legal and physical discrimination.

You can't pretend to have not considered or acknowledged that trump was and is doing damage to these communities when his vp is known for supporting literal torture therapy to zap away the gay or transness

I think a big problem is American Government (and I mean BOTH major parties here) are not addressing these issues like many (admittedly, not all) First World governing parties, because they're BOTH far too interested in kowtowing to big corporations and fighting wars whose reasons are lied about thoroughly to their own people abroad. The Democrats talk a good talk about the issue, but only deliver in "crumbs from the table," tokenism. It's not just the GOP and White Supremacists, as you often go on about, it's the whole backward, corrupt, and apathetic political culture that runs the entire nation.

 

[Gorbles]

No one's really condoning the toxic alt right but the far left isn't much better.

A New Zealander talking about the "far left" in the US, and both-sidesing this theoretical group of people (apparently the only qualifier is to be . . . vaguely left-of-centre and care about some progressive stuff) with the literal alt-right.

Great logic there

 

[Joij21]

You might want to think about where all these fossil fuels came from, which we are using to generate all that CO2. (There is a hint in the word "fossil").

Yeah, plants that lived for millions of generations over millions of years. Covering the surface multiple times until dying and being subducted down into the bowels of the Earth only for new plants to replace the now unoccupied surface above. This takes millions of years, not something we can do in a single generation fast enough. Get out of la la land!

 

[GenMarshall]

A New Zealander talking about the "far left" in the US, and both-sidesing this theoretical group of people (apparently the only qualifier is to be . . . vaguely left-of-centre and care about some progressive stuff) with the literal alt-right.

Great logic there

Left vs Right is different when you enter into the realm of American Politics. Think of it as traveling through the event horizon of a black hole.

 

[uppi]

Yeah, plants that lived for millions of generations over millions of years. Covering the surface multiple times until dying and being subducted down into the bowels of the Earth only for new plants to replace the now unoccupied surface above. This takes millions of years, not something we can do in a single generation fast enough. Get out of la la land!

And why did it take millions of years? (Hint: it is related to a proper formulation of the second law of thermodynamics).

 

[amadeus]

Not sure what GA's laws are vis a vis an automatic recount, but the margin is low enough for Trump to request one.

WaPo: Under Georgia law, a candidate can request a recount if the margin is less than 0.5 percent of votes cast. That request must be made within two days of results being certified.

Ballotpedia: Does state law require automatic recounts? No.

That answers my questions.

 

[Zardnaar]

A New Zealander talking about the "far left" in the US, and both-sidesing this theoretical group of people (apparently the only qualifier is to be . . . vaguely left-of-centre and care about some progressive stuff) with the literal alt-right.

Great logic there

We have the same problems here thanks to social media.

The far left here is attacking Jacinda Ardern because a legalize pot referendum failed. She didn't say which way she was voting on it. She voted yes btw. They ignore the facts.

1. it was a Green members private members bill.

2. It's not Labour party policy.

3. She never campaigned on it.

4. She said she would respect the referendum results.

So the far left us attacking her because she didn't use her political capital in things that weren't her parties policies. Go figure.

Sane group wants the threshold lowered to get into parliment "because democracy" but throw their toys when democracy doesn't agree with them.

8% of the vote does not a majority make.

 

[Patine]

the "far left" in the US,

The Green Party USA? The Peace and Justice Party? The Party of Socialism and Justice? The Socialist Equality Party? The Reza Unida Party? The regional parties that splintered from the Black Panther Party's dissolution? The Working Families Party? The Queer Nation Party? The Social Labour Party of America? The Socialist Workers' Party of America? The Communist Party of the USA? That's all who comes to mind for me when "far-left," in the U.S. is said.

 

[Zardnaar]

Left vs Right is different when you enter into the realm of American Politics. Think of it as traveling through the event horizon of a black hole.

The overall principle is the same.

Hence why I say you need to win votes where it matters vs winning votes.

This election has proved some assumptions wrong.
1. All those Americans that don't vote lean towards the Democrats.

2. Biden can't turn out the votes.

3. Progressives can win.

Should progressives have a voice absolutely. Should they insult everyone else no. They're not a majority in the Democratic party, democratic voters or the US Electorate.

Basically the message, messaging or something is wrong.

They're doing something wrong. Messaging and organization would be my guess.

 

[adcarrymaokai]

Are they still counting? Holy Christ.

 

[adcarrymaokai]

Not so excited about Biden's presidency, but hey it will be fun rubbing it into Trump's supporters' faces for as long as I can.

 

[AmazonQueen]

Fake bomb threat near Philadelphia count

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...ote-counting-centre/ar-BB1aLDCO?ocid=msedgdhp

 

[Gorbles]

Left vs Right is different when you enter into the realm of American Politics. Think of it as traveling through the event horizon of a black hole.

For sure, but from the perspective of a New Zealander, it means something different. To project that onto the spectrum of US ideological groupings is . . . silly.

The Green Party USA? The Peace and Justice Party? The Party of Socialism and Justice? The Socialist Equality Party? The Reza Unida Party? The regional parties that splintered from the Black Panther Party's dissolution? The Working Families Party? The Queer Nation Party? The Social Labour Party of America? The Socialist Workers' Party of America? The Communist Party of the USA? That's all who comes to mind for me when "far-left," in the U.S. is said.

Exactly! I doubt Zardnaar was referring to literally any of those.

 

[GenMarshall]

Should progressives have a voice absolutely. Should they insult everyone else no. They're not a majority in the Democratic party, democratic voters or the US Electorate.

What I'd like to see is the Democratic Party tap into the lower and middle classes, attract voters that they've neglected. Especially the ones that have participated in the #WalkAway movement.

Not so excited about Biden's presidency, but hey it will be fun rubbing it into Trump's supporters' faces for as long as I can.

I wouldn't recommend doing that. What's needed is healing from the divide over the past four years.

 

[JPetroski]

I can appreciate this reality you have, but you have to a acknowledge that this is why Pence is popular. His people are the ones who still talk this way and would love to revert all sorts of laws and at least not enforce certain laws violations.

When you live in a state that is reasonably well run, are surrounded by neighbors who are reasonably tolerant, and are reasonably successful, Washington might as well be Timbuktu.

That's a bubble I live in, and I can admit it.

I'm really not that aware of how folks in other states are trying to be awful to each other, because generally the things folks fret about are an individual state's attempt to become more awful. As my state doesn't generally do that, and Washington doesn't try to compel my state to do something awful, it's not something I pay much mind to.

 

[uppi]

Are they still counting? Holy Christ.

"They" implies it is more than one person doing the counting. Not sure whether that's true.

 

[cardgame]

What I'd like to see is the Democratic Party tap into the lower and middle classes, attract voters that they've neglected. Especially the ones that have participated in the #WalkAway movement.

I don't think anyone participated in an astroturf

 

[adcarrymaokai]

They're not a majority in the Democratic party, democratic voters or the US Electorate.

70% of voters support universal healthcare, a progressive policy. Progressives may not be a majority in a corporatist Democratic party, but that doesn't mean they don't represent the majority of views.

 

[adcarrymaokai]

"They" implies it is more than one person doing the counting. Not sure whether that's true.

haha good one