2020 US Election (Part 3)
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And he wriggled in into France
He was a Corsican incl Italian background
And Corsica had its constitutional revolution before France in 1755 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histo...overthrew,Revolution of the preceding century.
When Napoleon had "conquered" France he knew no borders.
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I truly feel that if he had been able to refrain from spending 4 years saying this election would be rigged and telling everyone he wouldn't abide by the results no matter what, he could have caused some real disruption to the process and that disruption would have been his best shot at stealing it. The thread's already been godwin'd so I don't feel bad saying: What if Hitler had announced his side would burn the reichstag? You know? How likely is it that things would have panned out for them in their bid to consolidate power if they had been announcing their exact intentions and plans for years?
If Trump had been saying, "I will abide by this election" and then waited until this very instant to declare and push the fraud narrative, that confusion would have massively worked in his favor. And he did absolutely stack the judiciary and part of his declared intent with that was to use it to push the election to him, so we cannot and should not rule out that they would have intervened to help him had he not openly declared his corruption for the world. He installed them to help himself and then took away their ability to do exactly that.
Instead he inoculated everyone against this very outcome, like the $%*&ing moron he is.
I do think we owe @Traitorfish some credit for being clear and consistent in saying all along that there wasn't much Trump could do to throw the election because it turns out, there really wasn't. In fairness to the rest of us, he has at least tried throw the election and much of his failure can be directly attributed to his incompetence and temperament.
I have been having this same conversation with my wife for the last few days as this unfolded.
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It's weird to say this but this was actually the most fun election in my lifetime. Obama was historic and fun but it was over with so fast. This time around, the first night was a bit rough but in the back of my head I just reminded myself we have to be patient, that the early results will look bad. By the time I woke up on Wednesday, there had already been large positive movement in the right direction and then for the next five days we got a steady drip of good/great news that both kept me on edge but made me happy.
I was absolutely, completely and utterly transfixed and it was a massively fun ride.
It must be excruciating to have been on the other side of it, however.
I was absolutely, completely and utterly transfixed and it was a massively fun ride.
It must be excruciating to have been on the other side of it, however.
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It's finally over.
The next 2 months will look interesting, seeing Donald Trump leave the White House.
The next 2 months will look interesting, seeing Donald Trump leave the White House.
I expect him to sneak out of the WH at night.
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Let us all hope he spends the next 2 months putting all of his energy into frivolous lawsuits that go nowhere and then flees to Russia, which will completely humiliate the GOP. I think sticking around and being arrested by NY tax investigators will play into a lost cause/martyrdom narrative that I'm sure the GOP is already building around these election results.
Also, him suing Biden and getting nothing done is much better than him changing every rule and regulation he can to hobble an incoming Biden administration in the mold of North Carolina and Wisconsin.
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The wounds are still deep and fresh. Two political parties' leadership, ideologues, and pundits ripping their own nation apart with vicious, vitriolic, hateful, incendiary, absolutist bloc thinking of the worst sort for short-term, short-sighted political gain. Colonial-style divide and conquer tactics in their own country! That's utter madness! And it started before the 2016 election. Trump was NOT the cause or architect of this ruinous scheme - his election was just a SYMPTOM of it. And, even now, I still a lot of people levying blame for the whole affair on strictly partisan lines - that the other party did it all, and their party had no blame, were the victims, and are the only ones who can be trusted with the solutions. I don't believe either of the two major Duopolies can be trusted with the solutions, and it will be IMPOSSIBLE for the nation to heal and move on, and the issues that tore apart the nation to be addressed with any constructive solutions until members and followers of both major parties accept that their party of support also had a hand - a close to equal hand - in this mess, and it wasn't all the other party and malignant external forces' faults.
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It's not like Americans had a GOOD choice, there. The electoral caudillos would never allow that.
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You had me till here. This militant bothsides-ism is old.
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Romney and W. Bush both congratulated Biden and confirmed the results. Some in Trump's orbit and the upper echelons of the GOP power structure are vowing to fight on and declaring that the results are not final and thus invalid but they're losing steam to joementum.
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I'm half drunk already!
I just wish he wasn't such a damn killbot. At least that'd be something.
Ziggy Stardust
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Amateur.
Mis westerners don't do half drunk.
I'm,105% on my way, catch me if you can.
Well, Hitler did write a book with his plans.
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"Cash me if you can." We have a class to uphold. It's like 3PM man, tomorrow is going to be really interesting.
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I suppose US laws or Constitution have proper provisions for transition periods like this and prevent that acting presidents can change laws and such.
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"Bothsides-ism," is a vapid, hallow, and, ultimately, manipulative non-term, meant to shut down the conversation about very real issue, problems, and faults in the political fabric by declaring the calling out of both "sides," (not, that this counterproductive term also, at the same time, reinforces the Neo-Manichaean binary view of politics advocated here, and the denial of legitimate and real points of view outside the American Duopoly and their narrowing socio-political bailiwick) as something inherently "wrong," or "incorrect," automatically, by nature of being in this line of thinking alone, like religious debates shut down using the word, "blasphemy," and thus feeling free, and justified, to ignore the actual criticisms themselves, and view oneself as holding a higher ground by doing so. Other popular terms of this nature are, "fake news," (coined by Donald Trump), and "whataboutism," (coined by Vladimir Putin). You must feel in very good company. It's just unfortunate that you, and many others, have developed such tunnel vision views on the world that such terms, and all the disingenuous baggage that comes with using them, are felt to be needed to shield against, inconvenient truths and uncomfortable criticisms.
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