2020 US Election (Part 3)

[Cloud_Strife]

@Cloud_Strife watch this

What about it?

 

[Farm Boy]

Eh, he'll argue with somebody over their own faith, Pat. Wrote me off as a massive homophobe after years of friendship for mentioning maybe polys deserve rights. Don't take it to heart and take him at what he's good at. People be people.

 

[Gorbles]

"Bothsides-ism," is a vapid, hallow, and, ultimately, manipulative non-term, meant to shut down the conversation about very real issue, problems, and faults in the political fabric by declaring the calling out of both "sides," (not, that this counterproductive term also, at the same time, reinforces the Neo-Manichaean binary view of politics advocated here, and the denial of legitimate and real points of view outside the American Duopoly and their narrowing socio-political bailiwick) as something inherently "wrong," or "incorrect," automatically, by nature of being in this line of thinking alone, like religious debates shut down using the word, "blasphemy," and thus feeling free, and justified, to ignore the actual criticisms themselves, and view oneself as holding a higher ground by doing so. Other popular terms of this nature are, "fake news," (coined by Donald Trump), and "whataboutism," (coined by Vladimir Putin). You must feel in very good company. It's just unfortunate that you, and many others, have developed such tunnel vision views on the world that such terms, and all the disingenuous baggage that comes with using them, are felt to be needed to shield against, inconvenient truths and uncomfortable criticisms.

No, it's a real phrase. You just don't like it.

 

[Ajidica]

I do think we owe @Traitorfish some credit for being clear and consistent in saying all along that there wasn't much Trump could do to throw the election because it turns out, there really wasn't. In fairness to the rest of us, he has at least tried throw the election and much of his failure can be directly attributed to his incompetence and temperament.

It is worth remembering that what kept Trump from being able to use court chicanery is Biden's clear margins in the critical states. If Trump had won PA and GA, Biden would have been at 270. If it were to come down to 700 votes in AZ and 500 in NV, there is a lot more the Trump campaign could have done. All his potential avenues for ignoring the election relied on the margins being Florida 2000 level close.

 

[Patine]

Well, Hitler did write a book with his plans.

Godwin's law protects against ill-thought-out, knee-jerk reactionary, sensationalist "crying wolf," (like Trump is the next Hitler, for instance), but as an absolute rule, is counter-productive. Like any good rule, it should be approached with discretion and judgement.

 

[Ajidica]

but they're losing steam to joementum.

The Trump Train was derailed by Amtrak.

 

[Patine]

No, it's a real phrase. You just don't like it.

It's obviously "real," because it's in the parlance. I was pointing out it's counter-productive, manipulative, and evasive nature and usage as a word, of which such usage and purpose also exist for quite a few other words in the parlance.

 

[Farm Boy]

It's a loyalty test, Pat. Say the right things in the right phraseology, or you're off doctrine. He has trauma from some town that taught him that noon sirens are signs to go a'******beatin'. Which is nuts. But whaddya do? Just be there, I guess.

 

[Patine]

It's a loyalty test, Pat. Say the right things in the right phraseology, or you're off doctrine. He has trauma from some town that taught him that noon sirens are signs to go a'******beatin'. Which is nuts. But whaddya do? Just be there, I guess.

Sorry, who came from a such a town?

 

[Farm Boy]

He usually pipes up, lets leave it at that for now.

 

[Takhisis]

Does this article require a subscription or something? I can't access it. A shame, too. It looks like it's a text article, and not an annoying video link.

Here you go:

Republican Leader of Pennsylvania State Senate: 'I don't have evidence of any misdoing'
Trump tweets Philadelphia has 'rotten history' as city puts Biden on brink of election win
The tweet came an hour after Stuart Varney made the comments on Fox Business
Donald Trump suggested that the city of Philadelphia has a “rotten history on elections” in a tweet he wrote Friday morning.

Spoiler :

Mr Trump’s tweet was a quote, which he attributed to Fox Business’s Stuart Varney.

“Philadelpiha has got a rotten history on election integrity,” Mr Trump tweeted, with a quote attribution to Mr Varney.

The tweet is yet another attempt by Mr Trump to undermine the legitimacy of the US electoral process by alleging that there is fraud occurring in state-level voting centres.

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Mr Trump has provided no evidence to his claims.

According to Media Matters, Mr Varney made the comment at 9:18am on Fox Business.

Less than an hour later, Mr Trump tweeted the quote.

“The president is watching Fox and using its commentary to delegitimize the election,” Matthew Gertz, a senior fellow at Media Matters, wrote.

Mr Varney is a long-time conservative commentator who has been generally favorable to Mr Trump.

The Fox Business host is not a stranger to controversy.

In 2013, Mr Varney was criticsed for making - and then doubling down - on comments vilifying the poor.

"We hand down $79 billion dollars every January on these so-called poor people," Mr Varney said during an interview.

When asked if he was being mean to poor people, Mr Varney said "I am. I am being mean to poor people. Frankly I am."

Two years earlier Mr Varney was criticised for downplaying the plight of the American poor by championing a Heritage Foundation-produced study suggesting even poor people have common household appliances like refrigerators.

At the time, he claimed that what the poor lacked was the “richness of spirit.”

He was lampooned in the media at the time for being out of touch with the living conditions of the working poor.

I do think we owe @Traitorfish some credit for being clear and consistent in saying all along that there wasn't much Trump could do to throw the election because it turns out, there really wasn't. In fairness to the rest of us, he has at least tried throw the election and much of his failure can be directly attributed to his incompetence and temperament.

To throw the election? I think you mean fix or steal, because clearly he managed to lose it.

 

[GenMarshall]

I just had a shower thought that no one has brought up. Has anyone mentioned any of the results for the state legislature? Since I’ve read the GOP has either maintained or gained seats in the state legislature across the US (I want to clarify for our non USans: that there’s a difference between the US legislature, which we call Congress, and a state legislature is a legislative body within an US state. Which, depending on the state, calls it by various names like “General Assembly”, etc).

Given we just came out of a census, and thus redistricting is gonna happen. It’s likely that the redistricting of congressional districts would weigh in favor of the GOP.

 

[Ajidica]

I just had a shower thought that no one has brought up. Has anyone mentioned any of the results for the state legislature? Since I’ve read the GOP has either maintained or gained seats in the state legislature (I want to clarify for our non USans: that there’s a difference between the US legislature, which we call Congress, and a state legislature is a legislative body within an US state).

Given we just came out of a census, and thus redistricting is gonna happen. It’s likely that the redistricting of congressional districts would weigh in favor of the GOP.

Its not good.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/04/statehouse-elections-2020-434108
Not as bad as 2010, but pretty bad.

 

[Gorbles]

It's obviously "real," because it's in the parlance. I was pointing out it's counter-productive, manipulative, and evasive nature and usage as a word, of which such usage and purpose also exist for quite a few other words in the parlance.

Ah right, I took "non-term" too literally.

But speaking on its counter-productivity for a second, because I actually had a thread lined up on this (if I ever get enough sleep). It's very productive. You claim to dislike (or despise, or whatever) the US political duopoly. This is fine. This is the part nearly everybody agrees with you on. You even talk about how people are blind to their own party's faults. Also fair!

It's when you then go around blaming people for being mean (there are many, many other examples. This is not a controversial claim), equating them as a "microcosm" of a greater state or context. This is problematic and reductive. You place all people here as supporters of one or the other party. People aren't that predictable. You repeatedly go to lengths to talk about the infinite political diversity of ideological spectrums, and then you go and accuse whichever OT poster it is at the time (often a bunch, at once, in the same post, with tags) of inciting partisan rhetoric. But you only ever seem to do so for the most ideologically-varied groupings of poster. You assume they're all part and parcel of the US political duopoly. They're often not

Do you not see the irony? You're putting people into boxes yourself.

It doesn't matter, semantically, that you think your boxes are accurate. They're still boxes!

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

"Cash me if you can." We have a class to uphold. It's like 3PM man, tomorrow is going to be really interesting.

3 pm, that was like ... a million years ago.

I was worried about groceries back then. Now I'm trying to steal the phone so I can get Creedence on. I'm thinking "Looking out my back lawn". There's something about giants doing cartwheels I can't resist.

edit: I also see I called someone a mis westerner. That was wrong of me.

It was wrong!

Don't poke the bear with a balloon. A bear with a balloon is a happy bear. Leave it be.

 

[Farm Boy]

I just had a shower thought that no one has brought up. Has anyone mentioned any of the results for the state legislature? Since I’ve read the GOP has either maintained or gained seats in the state legislature across the US (I want to clarify for our non USans: that there’s a difference between the US legislature, which we call Congress, and a state legislature is a legislative body within an US state. Which, depending on the state, calls it by various names like “General Assembly”, etc).

Given we just came out of a census, and thus redistricting is gonna happen. It’s likely that the redistricting of congressional districts would weigh in favor of the GOP.

Biden drove national votes. So did Trump. Anti-trumpers showed up and voted down ballot. The party that's good at local government that cannot print money made gains. The federal House results swinging out of Democratic polling; they failed to measure the "multi-ethnic working class coalition" that is ongoing growth for the near future. The parties are slowly drifting back towards their original class means that got thrown hella off in the 1960s by Republicans digging in on confederate sentiment and LBJ destroying small "c" conservatives for a generation with the daisy counting commercial. Goldwater supported non-hetero normative rights.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Eh, he'll argue with somebody over their own faith, Pat. Wrote me off as a massive homophobe after years of friendship for mentioning maybe polys deserve rights. Don't take it to heart and take him at what he's good at. People be people.

Are you a massive homophobe? How tall are you?

Don't exaggerate.

 

[Farm Boy]

6 foot and one half inch? 240lbs, mostly fat. Down from 270, but stalled. ><

We paid off the student loans at 39, we buy more veggies these days. Luxury money! (helps with pooping too)

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Ohhhh genMarshall is civgeneral.

That explains a lot. Hi civG! I'm ... still me. Because I don't switch avatars an names like you fluidic lot. Hope you're doing well

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

6 foot and one half inch? 240lbs, mostly fat.

See, now I'm thinking you got 6 feet, and half an inch.

And lbs. Libs? Lbbbbbbts. That's noise. What does that mean. 240 lbs. I'm 650 trls. To sloshed To Care About Acronyms. times 650.

More to the point. You good? It's been a while, and all we talked about is irrelevant stuff.