2020 US Election (Part One)

[cardgame]

A planned economy is structured from the top down, in USSR it was an oligarchy who made these decisions, in USA it is oligarchy who makes these decisions

 

[caketastydelish]

"Klobuchar", "Hickenlooper", "Buttigieg"... Do these people realise that not just any surname gets to follow the word "President"? There are standards, surely.

Still better than the alternative we appear to be heading to:

The same surnames that continue to get recycled over and over:

Bush, Clinton, Obama (because people want Michelle to run), Kennedy (we've had lots of career politician Kennedy's), etc.

I frankly don't want this to be a country where only a small handful of families have any chance to become the President. Trump not coming from a career political family is something that I think absolutely worked to his advantage, particularly considering who he was running against. The R's and D's should both learn from this in the future. At least the R voter base was smart enough to not elect Jeb Bush in the primaries.

 

[Mouthwash]

Also, I submit to you that neoliberal ideology and being too similar to the Republicans is killing the Democrats, not "purity tests"

I submit to you that mocking all forms of sacredness and promoting perversion is what's killing them (also, spitting on the half of the country that doesn't think everything about America was illegitimate before 1968).

A planned economy is structured from the top down, in USSR it was an oligarchy who made these decisions, in USA it is oligarchy who makes these decisions

The US system is quite a bit more decentralized.

 

[Ajidica]

I submit to you that mocking all forms of sacredness and promoting perversion is what's killing them

I lost track of the number of times Barack or Michelle Obama talked about their faith and how it informed their lives. Or does 'mocking sacredness and promoting perversion' in your world mean 'doesn't give lip service to arbitrary and cherry-picked "tradition"?
Further, the left has a long and proud tradition with Christianity in this country, ranging from Carter to [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Thomas]Norman Thomas. (Broadening the scope, Tony Benn remarked that his political beliefs were more informed by his Christian upbringing than anything he read by Marx.) If the link between the left and religion has faltered in recent years, it is in no small part due to the evangelicals firmly attaching their flag to perhaps the most un-Christ like figures the world has seen this side of Judas Iscariot.

(also, spitting on the half of the country that doesn't think everything about America was illegitimate before 1968).

Care to elaborate on what specifically was better before 1968?[/url]

 

[Berzerker]

What do you have against timolol maleate?
Allergan doesn't manufacture any of its products in the US, they are all made elsewhere and brought in. So, the $700 price is just a US price arranged by contract between Allergan, insurance companies and pharmacies. That means that in the US we are paying super premium prices because of our healthcare system and not any market considerations.

I wont go into details, lets just say I'd rather have the higher eye pressure and never met the doc who talked me into using the drops instead of continued observation, but thats on me too I suppose. The discussion was about reimportation of drugs - drugs produced here, sold abroad subject to price controls, and then exported back into the country thereby undercutting the producer. Thats why big pharma wants it illegal. I dont understand why your drops cost 10x at Walgreens than what you can get from the manufacturer, but if some law wont allow you to buy from the manufacturer that isn't on 'the market'. Sounds like the swamp.

 

[Mouthwash]

I lost track of the number of times Barack or Michelle Obama talked about their faith and how it informed their lives.

Further, the left has a long and proud tradition with Christianity in this country, ranging from Carter to Norman Thomas. (Broadening the scope, Tony Benn remarked that his political beliefs were more informed by his Christian upbringing than anything he read by Marx.)

I'm well aware that modern leftist ideologies are offshoots of Christianity. You might want to recall that most of Christianity's offshoots in the past have been destructive millenarian cults.

If the link between the left and religion has faltered in recent years, it is in no small part due to the evangelicals firmly attaching their flag to perhaps the most un-Christ like figures the world has seen this side of Judas Iscariot.

“Why was this perfume [that was used to anoint Jesus] not sold for three hundred denarii and the money given to the poor? Why was this money wasted on fragrant beauty when it could have gone to a more noble cause? Why wasn’t she more prudent with her budget?” - Judas Iscariot

I dunno, he sounds a lot like he would be on your side of things.

Care to elaborate on what specifically was better before 1968?

I didn't say anything was better. Rather, I'm simply saying that America has a history that isn't entirely evil and illegitimate just because the politburo thinks it is bad for the self-esteem of black people.

 

[cardgame]

Leftism is Christianity, or vice verca, rather; anything less is the offshoot.

 

[Mouthwash]

Leftism is Christianity, or vice verca, rather; anything less is the offshoot.

The Jacobins and Bolsheviks failed to make their movements into religions, and so will you.

 

[Berzerker]

Didn't Jesus endorse or condone compassionate slavery condemning millions to suffer at the hands of his followers?

 

[Socrates99]

Didn't Jesus endorse or condone compassionate slavery condemning millions to suffer at the hands of his followers?

The bible has hundreds of insane contradictions which is why it's been interpreted to support all kinds of evils. Theres even passages in the old testament where if a woman gets pregnant while committing adultery she's supposed to take "bitter water" and if the fetus survives it's her husband's, if it dies it's the offspring of adultery. Sounds like chemical abortion.

 

[Traitorfish]

Still better than the alternative we appear to be heading to:

The same surnames that continue to get recycled over and over:

Bush, Clinton, Obama (because people want Michelle to run), Kennedy (we've had lots of career politician Kennedy's), etc.

I frankly don't want this to be a country where only a small handful of families have any chance to become the President. Trump not coming from a career political family is something that I think absolutely worked to his advantage, particularly considering who he was running against. The R's and D's should both learn from this in the future. At least the R voter base was smart enough to not elect Jeb Bush in the primaries.

I'm just going to go ahead and grade them all from start to finish.

Spoiler :

1. George WashingtonThe Gold standard of presidential surnames, A+
2. John Adams Doesn't live up to his successor but fine as a placeholder, B-.
3. Thomas Jefferson Awful tinny sort of name, C.
4. James Madison A "-son" done right, B.
5. James Monroe Scottish therefore excellent, A.
6. John Quincy Adams Repetitive, C-.
7. Andrew Jackson I'm too scared of his ghost to be critical, B+.
8. Martin Van Buren Kinda goofy but points for creativity, B-.
9. William Henry Harrison Adding a middle name suggests he is not confident in his work, C.
10. John Tyler Not how you spell "Tailor", D-.
11. James K. Polk One syllable is a mayor's name at best, F.
12. Zachary Taylor Not as bad as "Tyler", C+.
13. Millard Fillmore Not a real name, D.
14. Franklin Pierce You can't trick us into think you have more than one syllable, D.
15. James Buchanan I don't think anyone outside of Scotland can spell this first time, B-.
16. Abraham Lincoln A no-nonsense classic, B+.
17. Andrew Johnson The exact mid-point of the bell curve, C+.
18. Ulysses S. Grant A rare acceptable one-syllable name, B+.
19. Rutherford B. Hayes The initial isn't fooling anyone, D.
20. James Garfield This has not aged well, C.
21. Chester Arthur Names are the wrong way round, F.
22. Grover Cleveland Not a fan of that "ee" sound, C+.
23. Benjamin Harrison Hasn't got better, hasn't got worse, C.
24. Grover Cleveland No mulligans, disqualified.
25. William McKinley Scottish bias strikes against, B.
26. Theodore Roosevelt Sounds like an exotic shrub, C.
27. William Howard Taft This is the name of a cartoon dog, F.
28. Woodrow Wilson Kinda done with these -"son" names, C.
29. Warren G. Harding Dynamic, B+.
30. Calvin Coolidge Should have invented the refrigerator, the advertising writes itself, D
31. Herbert Hoover "Oo" is a little better than "ee", B-.
32. Franklin D. Roosevelt It grows on you, C+.
33. Harry S. Truman This sounds like an alien tried to make up an honest-sounding name, C-.
34. Dwight Eisenhower Audacious, but it pays off, B+.
35. John F. Kennedy High-quality Irish name, A.
36. Lyndon B. Johnson Haven't we had this one? C.
37. Richard Nixon Sounds like a snake-themed He-Man villain, D.
38. Gerald Ford At least this is a real word I guess, C-.
39. Jimmy Carter A solid effort, B-.
40. Ronald Reagan Good Irish name wasted on a dirty great Hun, B.
41. George Bush Ugh, D.
42. Bill Clinton Shaky starts but ends solidify. B+
43. George W. Bush Even worst the second time around, D-.
44. Barack Obama Nice cadence but weighted too heavily towards the initial syllable, B-.
45. Donald Trump This is the name of a mean cat from that cartoon with the dog, F.

 

[Socrates99]

You missed Slick Willy Traitorfish.

 

[Traitorfish]

You missed Slick Willy Traitorfish.

Number 42? Check again, he earned a respectable B+.

 

[cardgame]

The Jacobins and Bolsheviks failed to make their movements into religions, and so will you.

I mean, so did Jesus? Paul was the successful one. I have very little respect for religion and no desire to create one. I'm referencing what already exists.

 

[Broken_Erika]

The Jacobins and Bolsheviks failed to make their movements into religions, and so will you.

You will accept your true lord and savior; Brian the Cosmic Porcupine.

 

[Berzerker]

didn't Monty Python make a movie about his life?

 

[Broken_Erika]

That was a different Brian.

 

[Ajidica]

I'm well aware that modern leftist ideologies are offshoots of Christianity. You might want to recall that most of Christianity's offshoots in the past have been destructive millenarian cults.

Wait, I thought religion was a Good Thing in your 'traditionalist' worldview, and from posts you made in other threads people of different denominations have much in common with each other and need to hold the line against the great unwashed and degenerate hordes. Or are you now Pope pronouncing who is a Good Christian and who is a Dirty Heathen?

I didn't say anything was better. Rather, I'm simply saying that America has a history that isn't entirely evil and illegitimate just because the politburo thinks it is bad for the self-esteem of black people.

What would you say are the 'good parts' of US society/history before 1968? There is a hell of a lot we are nowhere near ashamed enough about.

 

[cardgame]

What would you say are the 'good parts' of US society/history before 1968? There is a hell of a lot we are nowhere near ashamed enough about.

• labor power
• that's it

 

[Takhisis]

"Klobuchar", "Hickenlooper", "Buttigieg"... Do these people realise that not just any surname gets to follow the word "President"? There are standards, surely.

‘Trump’.

Leftism is Christianity, or vice verca, rather; anything less is the offshoot.

The Jacobins and Bolsheviks failed to make their movements into religions, and so will you.

What you are actually conveying is that you think so little of Christianity and Socialism that you have bothered to understand neither.
You are also conveying that you think so little of Christianity and Socialism because you have bothered to understand neither.