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A map of clubs who have qualified for this region's (North & central America) Champions League tournament for next year.

This tournament is used to crown the champion of the whole continent. Clubs qualify by being the best in their own league (or via other tournaments such as the U.S. Open Cup)

There's 4 teams from the U.S., 4 clubs from Mexico and 2 from Canada, and 6 clubs from other smaller countries in central America & the caribbean.

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The design of the US team emblems is interesting: three of them are very "American sports logo", with big bold corporate-y logos, while two of them are so close to the design of a couple of British team emblems to the point of verging on plagiarism. It seems to inadvertently express the strange cultural position of American soccer, one the one hand trying to make the sport accessible to an American audience, on the other hand trying to invoke the prestige and tradition of European soccer.

And then the sixth one looks it's some sort of North Pole death metal militia. Don't really know how to fit that into my grand schema.
 
The design of the US team emblems is interesting: three of them are very "American sports logo", with big bold corporate-y logos, while two of them are so close to the design of a couple of British team emblems to the point of verging on plagiarism. It seems to inadvertently express the strange cultural position of American soccer, one the one hand trying to make the sport accessible to an American audience, on the other hand trying to invoke the prestige and tradition of European soccer.

And then the sixth one looks it's some sort of North Pole death metal militia. Don't really know how to fit that into my grand schema.

It was tough to follow which crests you are talking about, since there are only 4 American crests on that map.

I assume one of the "Close to a couple British teams emblems" crests is the New York City one, which is a team in part owned by the same group that owns Manchester City. Their logo is essentially a merge of the Manchester City and New York Yankees logos.. Sort of, look at both of them and you'll see it. NYCFC is owned by Man City Group & The Yankees, which is why they "went there". Which was the other "English ripoff" logo?

The Seattle Sounders logo (the green one with the tower) is probably one you refer to as "American sports logo". This team has existed since the 1970s and has a passionate fan base which would probably riot if the front office strayed too far from the club's branding and history. They've kept the same name all these years, even as many clubs in MLS rebrand to be more "modern". The Seattle logo also includes elements taken from older versions of the crest. I don't think they've updated this crest in over a decade, but I could be wrong. If they update it again, you can bet it will look "something like that".

^^ I managed to figure out these 2 logos you were referring to. Commenting on some others I wasn't sure about below:

The crest in the top-right that has a crossed out R. That's a recent rebrand. It used to be a very cartoony logo that just barely resembled a football crest. It was more like a .. flag drawn with crayons. They rebranded to this new logo a couple years ago IIRC.

The logo right beside it that looks like a butthole is Montreal's new logo. Everybody hates it. Their old crest was more european looking, basically, and quite liked. But they suck so they rebranded again and now have a butthole for a logo.

The H logo is a Canadian Premier League crest, a new league that's just about to kick off its 4th ever season. Clubs in the league designed all their crests all at the same time (aside from the expansion clubs which came later), and you got a mix of mainly European-inspired crests, but also some unique ones like that one. I believe the inspiration is logos like.. the new Juventus one, for instance. The club also has a secondary logo with a hammer, and a secondary crest that has both the hammer and the H on it.

So yeah.. In the U.S. you'll find crests inspired by both American and European sensibilities. For decades team owners had to design logos that would speak to American sports fans.. and American sports fans are used to {City name} {Animal/mascot name} type team names and logos that are a bit cartoony and such, compared to UK crests for instance. So for the longest time American football clubs came up with names and logos "like that"..

A unique footballing culture emerged over the years on this continent though, and since football here used to be a bit of a niche sport, a lot of fans started demanding more "authentic" club names and logos. Where do you get such authenticity? Well, why not look to the place where the sport was invented? Club owners started embracing European style naming and branding. That's how you got club names like Real Salt Lake and Sporting Kansas City, Inter Miami, Halifax Wanderers (Canada, not U.S.), etc. European style crests go hand in hand with that, so more teams started embracing those too.

As a result the U.S. has an interesting mix if club names and crests, some seem American, some seem British, some seem South American, some are just.. whatever the hell they are.

Lately there's been a trend to name teams {City Name} FC and that's it, as bland and generic as possible, and then use a letter (like Juventus did) in the logo in some way. Or some other generic looking logo (Look up Nashville FC, Austin FC, for examples of generic logos)

Here in Canada we only have 11 professional clubs. Two of them (Vancouver and Montreal) trace their history back to the 1970s and for the longest time kept their historic names and some of the branding. Montreal have recently rebranded to a new name and crest (the butthole) that their fans hate (although they mainly hate the new name). Toronto FC embraced a more generic team name and look when launched in 2007 - the club wanted the fans to come up with a team nickname and such. The TFC logo is also designed around the letter T - a somewhat generic logo. The 7 Canadian Premier League clubs, when they launched, tried to create names and crests that speak to the local community where the club is located. We ended up with some European names like Halifax Wanderers and York United, but also some unique ones like Forge FC and Cavalry FC, and some generic ones like FC Edmonton . The league has so far not embraced the North American {City name} {Mascot} club naming approach, although this is decided on a club by club basis, so it could very well happen in the future. We also now have Atletico Ottawa, another nod to European footballing traditions. They are owned by Atletico Madrid, which is why that name was used.

So as you can hopefully see, our continent (minus Mexico & anything south of it) has a mix of various crest styles, mainly a reflection of how football has evolved here and the unique path it has taken. For the longest time the sport was thought of as a joke.. a sport that children play... Over the last decade and a half or so, this has been changing, and IMO that's why you can see some crests getting "more serious" and "less cartoony" over time. But all sorts of crests are still out there, since sometimes fans will fall in love with a crest even if it sucks.. or what have you.

Another reason American & Canadian football crests have started looking more and more European is because the owners of these clubs have started dreaming of creating a "global brand". So they try to embrace existing football traditions in Europe, South America, etc.

Let me ask you though, what names do hockey clubs in Britain have? Do they embrace local naming traditions or do they do the North American thing and name their clubs things like Manchester Penguins ?

I quickly googled "British hockey clubs" and got an assortment of logos that were an almost hilarious mix of North American style and British style sports logos/crests
 
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I quickly googled "British hockey clubs" and got an assortment of logos that were an almost hilarious mix of North American style and British style sports logos/crests
Might want to try "British ice-hockey clubs" next time...?

Over on this side of the Pond, "hockey" on its own is (still, AFAIK) usually understood to mean field-hockey, and such clubs will likely have crest-styles more in keeping with (real)football clubs.
 
Might want to try "British ice-hockey clubs" next time...?

Over on this side of the Pond, "hockey" on its own is (still, AFAIK) usually understood to mean field-hockey, and such clubs will likely have crest-styles more in keeping with (real)football clubs.

Right. I'm not sure if the crests I saw were ice hockey or fake hockey crests then. Either way, it was amusing that the Brits are doing the exact same thing that the British person in question was complaining about, just with a different sport.
 
Let me ask you though, what names do hockey clubs in Britain have? Do they embrace local naming traditions or do they do the North American thing and name their clubs things like Manchester Penguins ?
For sports like hockey, absolutely. They self-consciously market themselves as North American imports, so that's part of the package. What's striking to me about American soccer is that only some of the teams seem to take this approach, reflecting the lack of consensus about how to present the sport to American audiences.

But you do find this odd goulash of presentation in the UK is the extremely native sport of rugby: a bunch of teams underwent American-style rebranding in the 1990s in an attempt to attract a younger audience, while others stuck to traditional names and logos, giving a mixture of styles similar to American soccer.
 
What's striking to me about American soccer is that only some of the teams seem to take this approach, reflecting the lack of consensus about how to present the sport to American audiences.

IMO there's 2 main reasons for that.

The first is that the U.S. & Canada are sort of giant and very spread out. The U.S. alone is more than twice as large as the European Union. There's 350 million people living in these 2 countries in all sorts of different communities. There's a lot of different types of people and cultures and approaches to things.

Football/soccer has also been a bit of a niche sport here, historically speaking. In the U.S. soccer is the 4th or 5th most popular sport. It's very regional though, in the north-west (Portland, Seattle, Vancouver) football is more popular and has some history, and IIRC it's also popular in Atlanta and Kansas City and other pockets.. In a lot of parts of the U.S. there is also a large Hispanic influence that tends to support this sport, although in places like Florida I think there tends to be more support for sports like baseball (more ethnic Cubans, etc.)

If the sport were more popular on the continent historically speaking (and today), then you could probably imagine a more uniform landscape of leagues, types of team names, crests, etc. This is also why the American soccer/football pyramid seems to be an ever evolving hodge podge of different leagues and approaches.

edit: It's the geographic spread-out-ness that's lead to a more regional approach to administering the sport, which has also lead to different sort of footballing cultures to evolve in different parts of the continent. Just like in Europe or on other continents I suppose. And since the sport has been quite niche and not one of the more popular sports here, travel distances and costs have also played into the equation, and forced a more regional approach and dynamics as well. Over the last 2 decades or so the sport has been seeing a surge in popularity.. even though it remains at most the 4th most popular sport in the country (and possibly the 5th).. This has lead to more of a centralized/national approach, in the form of MLS eating up teams from other leagues (NASL, etc.) over the years and reducing some of this regional-ness. But even so there's history there for some of these clubs, so they will not drop their identity just because the current national approach is teams that use the European approach, or whatever. So you end up with a bit of variety in terms of the crests and club names you see.. Although lately the trend is to give us the most generic name & crest possible, which I don't like..

Personally I love that the Canadian top flight has only 8 clubs, but so far has traditional European type names (HFX Wanderers, York United), there's unique names (Cavalry FC, Pacific FC), we have Forge FC that's commonly now referred to as Hamilton Forge, which is a North American style name, and we also have some boring/generic club names like FC Edmonton, and even Atletico Ottawa, which is a traditional European style name, but of a different variety. Not many clubs yet, as it's a very young league still, but already so much variety in the types of club names. I can easily imagine a scenario in which all of these clubs got stupid north american style nicknames.. OR generic Winnipeg FC type names.. or over the top European-influenced names and nothing else. Instead we got a nice mix of a bit of everything, and the local fans from each community had an input into the name and crest, so overall.. that seems sort of Canadian? We have a very diverse country and it seems fitting that clubs from different parts of the country will have their own unique identity.
 
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I'm doing what I can to solve Argentina's underperformance, but what's wrong with the Mexicans?
 
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If that measures the consumption of chocolate products by mass rather than 100% cocoa the preference favouring dark chocolate over the milky ones would show on that. Probably same with candy bars vs pure chocolate.
 
????? Clearly, if you have access to better chocolate, you should eat more of it. :yumyum:
 
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Not sure if/how accurate, but this is supposedly a map of largest ethnic groups in Ukraine (excluding ukrainians and russians)

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The funky white/red/green one is Belarus. The others seem to be Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Moldavia, Tatars (lol), Hungary and Poland.
 
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