Anders Breivik declared sane

Not to mention turning cheeks.

Man Breivik is gonna hate that.

Also, if in the unlikely event that Breivik does learn something and become a totally changed man in a few decades isn't it great that he has the possibly of reform and rehabilitation and release?

In all honesty, I doubt it. His main impulse seems to be that his actions be described as 'sane' before the law, as a kind of testament to his political terrorist ideology. That doesn't seem reformable to me.
 
Nor should you mention doing good to those that hate you.

huh? Is this a bible quote?


What do you mean by that? He's going to be locked up forever in the soft rehabilitation focused PC obsessed prison system that is emblematic of his issues with Norwegian society. Why is that what he wanted.

LOL, I was thinking the only way to 'punish' him would be to ensure that all of his guards and cooks were foreign immigrants, not of his religion, nor native born---and to parade it before him every day.


Here's a thought: what if there was an ultimatum in reform of those convicted of murders and beyond appeals----reform in 20 years, or be executed!
Does that deny the convicted of their humanity? Does that some how justify the inhumanity they showed others? Does that relieve the state of a moral burden of executing the most serious offenders to make room for newer offenders in jail?
 
Such is my understanding, yes. Given translation from Aramaic or Greek or whatever.

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I think the verse you mean is this one: Luke 6:33

That is to say that one is a hypocrite who only does good to those who do good to them.
But it is stressing the 'golden rule' of doing on to others as you would have them do onto oneself.
 
No. That's not how I remember it.

Yes those lines ring a bell. But don't include doing good to those that hate you, as far as I can see.

Maybe I've simply remembered it wrongly. There's always that possibility.

To be honest I don't really care that much one way or another. You're right, I shouldn't quote (and try not to). If that's what you are getting at.
 
@Lord Joakim- I VMed you, but I'm gettiing to it. I don't have a half hour right now to watch that video, but I will eventually.

And after that discussion, I've established that you do not respect the research of the social sciences over the moralism of American hardline Christianity, that you are indifferent to data underlining the differences in crime between Scandinavia and the US and that you really do not understand that Jesus' rhethoric is kind and forgiving, making it pretty obvious how to act when having pacified a dangerous person.

Pray tell why do you think early Christians, people that were much closer to Jesus' original words, were generally nonviolent?
 
Scandinavian prison model isn't about retribution, it's about rehabilitation. We understand that humans are animals whose behavior can be modified. Where the standard socializing institutions of school and parental care failed, the necessary evil of prison will ideally attempt to modify the prisoner's behavior to have him become a better citizen and hopefully secure some sort of dignified future in his wicked world.

Our view of humanity, contrary to the liberal view of humanity that emphasizes personal freedom and responsibility, roots in the idea that humans are fundamentally shaped by their environment. A criminal almost always becomes a criminal due to a bad social circle or neighbourhood and being able to recieve some sense of identity in an unhealthy sphere of crime: Without any proper adult role models, if the parents drink, for example, or if the school teachers are inattentive, the growing human being may take onto itself a sense of self by joining a gang with its own traditions and close-knit sense of security and brotherhood. It's seen with rocker gangs in Denmark where they pick up kids with low social capital and give them their own titles and jackets, making them feel safe within the criminal group. And in that tune, we hold that Breivik as an individual is a product of his environment and as such will not be punished forcefully, but that he shall be rehabilitated, as our society will attempt to help him with the things it failed to do in the first place. We're succesfully socialized people, not murderers. Why would we then cancel that development by acting like them?
(this is in general, not about Breivik)
I do generally agree with the Scandinavian system based on rehabilitation.
However if the system was completely about rehabilitation you should not have maximum prison terms, but only minimum: a criminal will get out only when he fully understands his "mistake" and he is ready to be a productive member of society again... no matter how long it may take.
One may also say that such a rehabilitated person will understand the hurt he made to his victims and will gladly accept a punishment to repay, at least in part, the damage done to his victims.
"Punishment" can be social works or devolving all his income to pay damages or anything like that.

I also tend to agree that humans are fundamentally shaped by their environment, but at the end you always have the choice to do right or wrong.
If one cannot distinguish between right and wrong mental deficiency) than he should be locked in a mental institute for his own good.
But if one can distinguish between right and wrong, then he should accept that there will be a consequence for the crime and he has to pay for the damage done to people and society.
Prison conditions and sentences should reflect this.



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LOL, I was thinking the only way to 'punish' him would be to ensure that all of his guards and cooks were foreign immigrants, not of his religion, nor native born---and to parade it before him every day.
I don't know about the guards and cooks, but surely most of the people in Norwegian prisons fit that description (being immigrants etc.). :)
Pun apart, there is very little discrimination in jobs in Norway (especially state jobs): the employees outlook at the prison will be surely multi-ethnic and it will rub on his face every day.
 
You'd have to kill him 71 times. Or torture him horribly, perhaps?

And if you decide to kill him with justice: you must convert him into a teenager, put him on an island, and shoot him 71 times by surprise, each time with him not being aware that he's been shot before.
 
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And for GoodGame, and anyone else who can bear to read anything I write:

Matthew 5:44

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

;)

Looks very close to central Christianity to me. The core of which is the Beatitudes. The further away you get from this, the more peripheral your message becomes.

Still, 'taint nuthin' to do with me.
 
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Article 2
All inhabitants of the Realm shall have the right to free exercise of their religion.
The Evangelical-Lutheran religion shall remain the official religion of the State. The inhabitants professing it are bound to bring up their children in the same.

You're hopelessly out of date. A few months ago it was changed to a text more similar to the Danish one(21 May to be exact).
 
You're hopelessly out of date. A few months ago it was changed to a text more similar to the Danish one(21 May to be exact).
a) It doesn't matter. I guess GW would be most interested (if at all) in the 1814 version anyway.
b) Go ahead and update wikisource. :)
 
...why do all Scandinavian flags look the same?
 
Well… it [wiki=Nordic_Cross_flag]represents[/wiki] Christianity, and is the basic design even for places like Shetland and Orkney. So, yes. If they think of a flag, they'll first draw a cross and then see what to paint it with.
 
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