Terxpahseyton
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Only another testimony of your civilized being.
Anders Breivik declared sane
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GhostWriter16
Deity
There's really no such thing due to original sin, but since we ALL have that we through the legal system limit our destruction of life to those that deserve capital punishment.
madviking
north american scum
I still don't know how one can be pro-life and pro-capital punishment. If you're fundamentally opposed to abortion then I don't see how being pro-capital punishment can't give you any moral qualms.
Have you even heard one family member of the victims call for the death penalty? Have you even seen one interview with one of them? Have you actually paid any attention to this case at all?
Or are you just pushing your generic view points again no matter what this thread is actually about?
Now I can't claim I've heard the stance of every one of them, but I've heard several, and not one of them called for the death penalty. Not just in the legal sense, they didn't wish there was a death penalty so Breivik could get it.
I don't say this to point out that once your populace becomes enlightened enough to move past the desire for petty and childish revenge, the whole thing becomes pretty pointless (oops, now I did it anyway), but to say that you just claimed to know better what the victims' relatives think right than they do. Which is quite disrespecting.
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
Really, no reply to my post, GW? 
...What?
Ailedhoo
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So there is innocenent life and there is no such thing as innocent life?
MAKE YOUR MIND UP!
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
I'm not sure what you mean by "deserve". Could you elaborate?
No i am saying that decent citizens of a decent nation do not kill each other. Particularly authority that represents those people doesn't kill the citizens of a civilised nation.
By his acts Breivik has fundamentally disrespected this principle, disrespected human life and human dignity in general.
Execulting him would make that worse, not better, since then Norway would inflict the ultimate violation of human dignity on one of her citizens, furthering Breiviks cause and ideology, establishing that human dignity and human life is negotiable and can be violated as a means to a political end.
In that respect capital punishment is fundamentally not different from what Breivik did.
Man Breivik is gonna hate that.
Also, if in the unlikely event that Breivik does learn something and become a totally changed man in a few decades isn't it great that he has the possibly of reform and rehabilitation and release?
GhostWriter16
Deity
No, its not. Honestly, any justice system that would ever let someone out that killed 77 people is going to get nothing but laughter from me, no matter what its people think of it.
@Leoreth- Point acknowledged and conceded. I often makee the mistake of putting a USA-esque view of everything.
Regarding the proposition that "Killing him would be basically the same as what Breivik did" how then is imprisoning him not morally equivalent to kidnapping? If executing him is morally equivalent to mass murder, as you seem to be implying..
@Lord Joakim- I VMed you, but I'm gettiing to it. I don't have a half hour right now to watch that video, but I will eventually.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
Why? Are you that attached to your grudges?
Thorvald of Lym
A Little Sketchy
Jesus toiled to inspire four+ gospels, yet his "followers" spend all their time quoting the Old Testament.
GhostWriter16
Deity
I'm attached to a desire for my safety, and for justice.
The Apostle Paul does just as well (Romans 13:4)
When does Jesus ever reject capital punishmentBTW?
Thorvald of Lym
A Little Sketchy
Where does he condone it?
GhostWriter16
Deity
Other than "Render unto Caesar" where does he endorse or oppose ANY political view? That's not what Jesus was about.
Paul, who had contact with the other Apostles who spoke with Christ personally and so would have had a pretty good idea of what he taught, seems to think Capital Punishment is OK (Romans 13:4.)
Admittedly, most of the early Christians disagreed with him. I can understand why. They were also absolute total pacifists. I do disagree with that viewpoint Biblically, but for a small group of people who were completely devoted and undergoing persecution, the viewpoint makes a lot of sense in that context. Most of you guys don't have a problem with war, or with the destruction of most fetuses, or self-defense, all of which the early Christians did not believe in, and yet you continually harp on capital punishment and say "Jesus would never have supported that."
Of course, modern politics are fundamentally different from 1st century ones anyways, where there was an Emperor and no "Voting" but that's a completely different topic.
Paul, who had contact with the other Apostles who spoke with Christ personally and so would have had a pretty good idea of what he taught, seems to think Capital Punishment is OK (Romans 13:4.)
Admittedly, most of the early Christians disagreed with him. I can understand why. They were also absolute total pacifists. I do disagree with that viewpoint Biblically, but for a small group of people who were completely devoted and undergoing persecution, the viewpoint makes a lot of sense in that context. Most of you guys don't have a problem with war, or with the destruction of most fetuses, or self-defense, all of which the early Christians did not believe in, and yet you continually harp on capital punishment and say "Jesus would never have supported that."
Of course, modern politics are fundamentally different from 1st century ones anyways, where there was an Emperor and no "Voting" but that's a completely different topic.
Thorvald of Lym
A Little Sketchy
Pray tell, what is Jesus about? Because I'm pretty sure that "Love Thy Neighbour" and "Hang 'Em High" aren't mutually compatible attitudes.
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