Anders Breivik declared sane

[Arwon]

Internet tough guys.

 

[Takhisis]

And that only president was kidnapped from another sovereign country.

 

[Bootstoots]

I'm pretty sure through legislation you can get around that problem. I quite like the Israeli system, they have only executed one prisoner in that state's entire existence - they kill the ones who genuinely have done the crime and has been proven beyond doubt. It was Adolf Eichmann. If Israel can do it, why can't the rest of the world?

In principle, I'm fine with executing terrorists, war criminals, serial killers, and the like provided there is no doubt that they perpetrated their crime. In practice, though, many of those people actually intend to die in order to call attention to their cause. I would rather not grant them that wish and let them fade into obscurity serving a life sentence somewhere.

The objection I have to executing Breivik isn't that he doesn't deserve death, it's that death is the punishment he desires upon conviction. He has stated directly that he wants to be either acquitted or executed. I would much rather he face a life of confinement in a liberal prison system or (even better) a psychiatric ward. In other words, I want him to spend the rest of his life in the exact sort of system he wants to dismantle.

 

[Dreadnought]

"I know it makes little sense to try and deter violence with more violence, but deterrence is not why I believe in the death penalty. There are some people that are so violent, so evil, that society has no choice but to be done with them. Vengeance is something that society needs from time to time if for no other purpose then to keep the rest of us sane."

 

[Takhisis]

Keep him in a cell where he can't do any harm. Don't stopp to his level, don't make him a martyr, don't play his game.

 

[ParkCungHee]

"I know it makes little sense to try and deter violence with more violence, but deterrence is not why I believe in the death penalty. There are some people that are so violent, so evil, that society has no choice but to be done with them. Vengeance is something that society needs from time to time if for no other purpose then to keep the rest of us sane."

If you need the occasional murder to keep you sane, I think that ship has already sailed.

 

[Leoreth]

"I know it makes little sense to try and deter violence with more violence, but deterrence is not why I believe in the death penalty. There are some people that are so violent, so evil, that society has no choice but to be done with them. Vengeance is something that society needs from time to time if for no other purpose then to keep the rest of us sane."

Is that a Rorschach quote?

 

[Midgard Eagle]

The trial will prove how strong a case there is against him and in a perfect world, he will dragged out kicking and screaming and made to stand up against the prison wall and a few gunman will hasten his entrance to hell XD

I suppose our country isn't, and never will be part of your perfect world, then .

"I know it makes little sense to try and deter violence with more violence, but deterrence is not why I believe in the death penalty. There are some people that are so violent, so evil, that society has no choice but to be done with them. Vengeance is something that society needs from time to time if for no other purpose then to keep the rest of us sane."

Given we have extremely mild punishments and are also among the most peaceful countries in the world, I beg to differ.

I for one am glad that Breivik will get exactly what he wants the least: effective lifetime confinement in a rehabilitation-oriented, relatively "nice" prison system crafted by the sorts of people he killed so many of. He wants to be a martyr, and he'll get the opposite kind of treatment.

He has now actually stated that he expected Norway to throw the rulebook out the window the same way the US did. And God, am I glad we didn't.

Edit:

Stupid Americans waste so much time on endless appeals and wasted time. An efficient Norwegian system could execute him minutes after the trial and at a fraction of a cost of liftetime imprisonment.

I'll give you five seconds to ponder how such a system could potentially be abused.

 

[Dreadnought]

If you need the occasional murder to keep you sane, I think that ship has already sailed.

Denotationaly, it wouldn't be murder. Besides, I'm not quoting myself there.

Is that a Rorschach quote?

No; it's from a crime TV show.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

From what I hear the second evaluation (sane) will probably have more weight as it had a lot more material available and was more comprehensive.

Yea sure it was more comprehensive. It had to do a harder job. Doesn't mean a damn.

What is IMO obviously called for is a freaking third opinion.

 

[anandus]

Not sure if this is the proper topic, but the court has declared him sane and sentenced him to 21 years imprisonment.

 

[Snorrius]

Luck on his side. He achieved what he wanted.

 

[Borachio]

I hope he regrets it. Eventually.

 

[Snorrius]

I hope he regrets it. Eventually.

He probably should have just migrate from this Scandinavian swamp but maybe he loved his country too much.

 

[Arwon]

Luck on his side. He achieved what he wanted.

What do you mean by that? He's going to be locked up forever in the soft rehabilitation focused PC obsessed prison system that is emblematic of his issues with Norwegian society. Why is that what he wanted.

 

[useless]

Hopefully he being declared sane will allow us to finally tackle this issue of european right-wing extremism, instead of dismissing it as a "insane one off"

 

[Mango Elephant]

What do you mean by that? He's going to be locked up forever in the soft rehabilitation focused PC obsessed prison system that is emblematic of his issues with Norwegian society. Why is that what he wanted.

He said being declared insane would be worse than death. And if he pretends to change (or does actually change) he can get out in 10 years.

Not sure if this is the proper topic, but the court has declared him sane and sentenced him to 21 years imprisonment.

10 to 21 years. Although if at the end it's felt he could still harm society they could keep him indefinitely.

If killing 77 people is sane ... I don't even know because he's so obviously not sane. I'm sane and I would never kill 77 people.

 

[Traitorfish]

If killing 77 people is sane ... I don't even know because he's so obviously not sane. I'm sane and I would never kill 77 people.

Barack Obama kills more people than that every day, and he's perfectly sane. The trick is that Obama makes sure he doesn't kill them directly or personally, so we assume that he has a good reason for what he's doing, while Breivik did it in a manner that makes us feel yucky, so clearly he must have a screw loose.

 

[metatron]

Hopefully he being declared sane will allow us to finally tackle this issue of european right-wing extremism, instead of dismissing it as a "insane one off"

That's not really the alternative.
In many European nations the existance and harm of violent right-wing extremism is very well appreciated. The debate and resulting percieved or actual lack of action against it is due to disagreement on what the causes are and what could and what should be done about it.

 

[Borachio]

I'm sane and I would never kill 77 people.

I'm not sure I'm sane. But I would (I sincerely hope) never kill anyone.