MB3 - Old Testament Bunfight

Hallo. I'm back :)

Yes, leaving Alexandria undefended is a very smart idea: let's hope Hammurabi bites it!
If they don't declare on us, we could gift it say to the Celts just before we start the war and hope that the concept will work with them...

Incidentally, I obviously agree on taking on the Babylonians (could I ever go against so good an advice? :D ). We can also easily draw Zulu, Aztecs and a couple more against them.
 
Don't forget to build a few Explorers for extra pillaging capabilities :D


Ted
 
I thought you had some more good warring in you, Ted. ;)

If this were a solo game, I'd spend eleven turns peacefully building Sipahis and then attack the Celts, since the location of their cities is such that a well-executed first strike would essentially win this war in two turns. Then I'd seize whatever opportunites remained to overrun backward opponents with Sipahis. I might never attack the Babylonians at all, if I could reach the domination limit without doing so. I find that if one builds up one's position by fighting the wars one can quickly and easily win, most other problems take care of themselves. Staying on excellent terms with the Babylonians, so as to be able to steal techs from them without fear of war, would be part of this approach too.

This doesn't mean that I object strongly to going to war with Babylon, if that's the consensus. Our position is so good that any reasonable strategy should produce victory if the tactical execution is right. But for the sake of discussion, I wanted to point out how fruitful it can be to take the path of least resistance.

We'll probably want to hook up those furs near Cumae soon.

We can easily afford to rush the libraries in Antium and Ravenna, both under cultural pressure.

And BTW--a flip in our favour, at deity? Astonishing. :D :eek: :D
 
Originally posted by Northern Pike
I thought you had some more good warring in you, Ted. ;)

If this were a solo game, I'd spend eleven turns peacefully building Sipahis and then attack the Celts, since the location of their cities is such that a well-executed first strike would essentially win this war in two turns. Then I'd seize whatever opportunites remained to overrun backward opponents with Sipahis. I might never attack the Babylonians at all, if I could reach the domination limit without doing so. I find that if one builds up one's position by fighting the wars one can quickly and easily win, most other problems take care of themselves. Staying on excellent terms with the Babylonians, so as to be able to steal techs from them without fear of war, would be part of this approach too.
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A perfectly valid option NP. As the Celts & Babylon are the tech leaders either one would do. I slightly prefer to take on Babylon as their research capability is probably greater and, let's face it, we're as far up the tech tree as we need to be :)

Originally posted by Northern Pike
We'll probably want to hook up those furs near Cumae soon.
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Oops, missed 'em completely :o


Ted
 
NP,
I like your point on the path of least resistance. It is a sound concepts in most fields. Have you ever read Sun Tzu or Musashi? (the 'real' ones, I mean -there is surely someone in CFC with these nicknames...)

On the other hand, it is sometimes more exciting to bash your stronger opponent -but I agree that it is a riskier and most often less-than-optimal strategy.
 
Karasu, I've read Musashi. I haven't read Sun Tzu--but it took me a moment to realize that, because he's like Clausewitz: he's so often quoted and referenced that one ends up feeling that one's read him even if one hasn't. :)
 
0 - 420 AD
Rome - Furious - broke - down MT - lacks wine, iron, saltpeter
Greece - Polite - 46 gold - parity - lacks wine, saltpeter
Persia - Annoyed - broke - down Astro, Chem
Zulu - Cautious - broke - down Gunpowder, Banking, and Astro - lacks wines, horses
Celts - Polite - broke - up Econ, Physics
Babylon - Polite - very rich - up Econ, Physics - lacks wines
Aztecs - Annoyed - broke - down Astro, Chem - lacks wine, saltpeter
Iroquois - Furious - 40 gold, 17 gpt - down Gunpowder and Astro - lacks wines, horses and iron
Carthage - Polite - broke - down Eng, Edu
Trade Iroquois Gunpowder for Worker, WM, 40 gold, and 17 gpt
Hurry Library in Antium for 120 gold
Hurry Library in Ravenna for 136 gold
Continue starvation of Rome and Veii although I think the chance of them flipping is minimal

IBT Renew RoP deal with Celts, but stop paying them 1 gpt for the deal
The Zulus want a RoP. I tell him no thanks and sell him our WM instead

1 - 430 AD
Antium Library -> Worker
Andrianpole Sipahi -> Sipahi
Ravenna Library -> Worker
Izmit Court -> Sipahi
The people expand our palace
Switch Mugla to an aqueduct so that it can grow
Switch Pe-ople to an aqueduct so that it can grow
MM Adana
Establish an embassy with the Iroquios. Allegheny - pop 8 - 2 entertainers - no improvements, no resources, no luxuries. They are down to two cities.

2 - 440 AD
Antalaya Musket -> Explorer
Adana Musket -> Explorer
Sinop Worker -> Aqueduct
There are two Romans on the doorstep of Alexandria

3 - 450 AD
The Romans move away
Uskudar Court -> Bank
Antalaya Explorer -> Exploret
Konya Court -> Sipahi
Adana Explorer -> Court
Furs near Cumae are connected. :)
Rush aqueduct in Mugla so that it can grow

4 - 460 AD
Constantinople Sipahi -> Worker (it is stuck at size 12)
Aydin Court -> Market
Antalaya Explorer -> Bank
Mugla Aqueduct -> Bank
Rush aqueduct in Pe-ople so that it can grow

IBT The Iroquois want to trade WMs. Sure.

5 - 470 AD
Constantinople Worker -> Sipahi
Adrianople Sipahi -> Sipahi
Brusa Court -> Bank
Multiple Barracks -> Market
Pe-ople aqueduct -> Barracks

IBTLots of wars are being declared between other civs

6 - 480 AD
Izmit Sipahi -> Bank
The Celts begin Newtons so they have atleast one tech beyond Physics

7 - 490 AD
We finish Printing Press and begin to research Democracy
Salonika Worker -> Worker
Konya Sipahi -> Sipahi
Adana Court -> Bank
Give Celts PP and 605 gold for Physics
Sell PP to Babylon for 460 gold and WM. I do not make a gpt deal so that we can attack him soon. :satan:
The Celts and Babylon have Econ, ToG, and Magnetism
The Iroquois have Economics. We give them Astronomy, PP, and Chemistry for Economics, WM and 23 gpt
Sell PP to Rome for WM, 9 gpt and 42 gp
None of the other civs have gpt or techs available to trade

IBTThe Aztecs destroy the Iroquois. I guess we won't see that 23 gpt. :( Atleast we got Economics. :)

8 - 500 AD
Rome Worker -> Worker

I am going to end early on an even numbered turn.

I am not sure if we want to continue the 40 turn gambit on Democracy.

We have three turns left on our deal with Hammurabi.

We have 30 Sipahi and an average military compared to the Babylonians.

I didn't upgrade any troops. I'll leave that up to the next general. We definitely have the gold available.
 
The SAVE

Image resized using my increased knowledge of Paint. Thanks Space. :)
MB3-500AD-map2.jpg


:hammer: Hammurabi :hammer:
 
Solid turns Earp :thumbsup:


Ted
 
Can't look at the save yet, so I won't comment yet. But I can tell you how to resize images with Paint which is available on all windows PCs: choose Image - Strech/Skew... (or type Ctrl + W) and choose new percentages for Hor and Vert (the same if you want to keep the ratio :) )
 
Nice trading. :goodjob: It's extremely satisfying when a forty-turn gambit pays off like that. :D
 
OK I'm UP (in only 4 SG's) :eek: Must get at least 2 of them done tonight.

Are we absolutely sure that we want to go after Babylon? NP's suggestion of going after the tech leader (Celts) looks more attractive to me. But if it's Babylon you want then I guess I'll just have to oblige. :)
 
Let me take on the Celts then, since I'll play after you. :hammer:

Seriously, they are smaller and been less at war. so maybe their force is just a tad smaller and we could gain more since they are tech leader. So think they make a better target.
 
How do you know that the Celts are ahead of Babylon in techs? As far as I can tell(using the F6 screen), they are equal, and Babylon has had 1000+ gold for the past ten turns so I doubt the Celts have any techs that they do not have.

We can :hammer: the Celts or :hammer: Babylon, it makes no difference to me.
 
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