NOTW XXIX: Hired Swords - Game Thread

[CCRunner]

Am I the only one that sees the irony is using a fake name on the quicktopic, then posting your real IM address that almost everyone has?

No offense Seon, I just thought that was a little weird

 

[Seon]

My name was a joke on the weapon I used. Nothing more

 

[Ekolite]

You did kill one of us. ME!

Ah yes of course... You can see I was really paying attention this game can't you?

 

[choxorn]

My death made them lose there way. I was really disappointed. I suspected that both ATPG and BL were bad. I was two seconds away from poisoning BL. It was ATPG that saved him.

Choxorn seriously... I told you all to accuse BL if i died... and yet... Furthermore your nightscanning ability did not confirm innocence...

I was having so much fun... argh

I actually was suspicious of BL, but the day after you died, everyone was too busy focusing on Autolycus for us to do anything else. Now we feel like idiots for protecting him. And then the next day, I saw Nictel stealing the Sword, and we all went after him and forgot about BL. I didn't know what he was aligned with, but knew he was definitely evil.

And I'm glad I found him, seeing The Undercouncil Member (Him) with my ability was my PG. So, at least I succeded there even if I died.

Although, sprig, if you knew that Autolycus was an Illian, why the hell didn't you tell anyone?

Anyway, you guys killed me at exactly the right time. Had I seen Khazaar doing nothing, my next suspect would have been ATPG, one of the only few remaining people not scanned by either me or Love. The only others were TLO, who just acted too idiotic to be a traitor (which he always does), Krill and TForge, who'd killed people or helped kill people on nights when you guys had also killed people and thus couldn't be among you, and john and cindle, who were inactive. After that, I was suspicious of Backwards and Winston for a while, and probably would have come after you, soon. So meh, you were lucky.

This group got destroyed by the loss of Love and choxorn's inexplicable addition of ATPG to the group after that. Not that I blame choxxie-poxxie, but GRRR!!!

Yeah, that, in retrospect, was stupid, and got us to go after Malakh, john, Double A, and Khazaar because we trusted ATPG too much and thought what he was telling us about the .orgers was true. He just managed to fool me with his steaming pile of horse poo. Well done, ATPG, well done.

And yes, you can post the PM's.

 

[TheLastOne36]

The only others were TLO, who just acted too idiotic to be a traitor (which he always does)

Hehe, luckily there were better lynch targets than me, and I was supposedly to strong (lied about that too) and had protection ability (which I managed to trick ATPG and my own co. ) so wasn't killed at night.

Although reading the quick topic, seems like I was close.

 

[Backwards Logic]

We didn't attack you at night not because of your 'protection ability,' (which I knew and alluded to that you were lying about it), but because 1) there were way more threatening targets and 2) I knew I could have you lynched whenever. Toward the end, it was the people we couldn't lynch that became our night targets.

 

[TheLastOne36]

We didn't attack you at night not because of your 'protection ability,' (which I knew and alluded to that you were lying about it), but because 1) there were way more threatening targets and 2) I knew I could have you lynched whenever. Toward the end, it was the people we couldn't lynch that became our night targets.

Which is what I said.

Better Lynch targets/Kill targets.

I said I think I fooled ATPG and my own townies. Not the others wolves.

 

[Backwards Logic]

Lynch target /= night kill target. Very big difference

 

[rhawn]

Things would not have been so easy had there not been a pm mishap. I believe that by day 3 us Illians knew both the prophets were and basically had sprig as our voice. If I hadn't been so greedy in fulfilling my pg of killing all the amurites I would have killed atpg instead of KingMorgan with the black flask, but there were so many I wanted to thin the herds. Us Illians, each had an ability, Autolycus had protection, Frozen In Ice could kill once every 3 nights, and I had a roleblock ability. We wasted an entire kill cycle biding time and allowing Autolycus to work the prophets.

Well played Traitors. We didn't know there were so many of you out there. Once our group fell apart, you guys just tore it up.

 

[Krill]

I actually almost did hte vigilante kill on ATPG on night one...I was torn between shooting him, Winston or Seon simply because they always seem to be baddies. Then I thought, nah, can;t happen every game, can it?

Figures.

 

[choxorn]

Well, in my defense, the PM I sent on the final day I was alive I didn't send to ATPG, just Pi, Krill, and TLO, and specifically mentioned I was suspicious of him and Khazaar, and also no longer trusted the people I'd already scanned. Then TLO had to go and forward that PM to ATPG, allowing him to conjure up more bull to convince us to lynch Malakh and scan Khazaar. Had that not happened, I was planning to get people to lynch either ATPG or Khazaar. Whichever one I chose, I'd scan the other the following night and tell the innocents to lynch them if I was dead tomorrow, so either way I'd have gotten ATPG, and hopefully the innocents would have managed to figure out the remaining two traitors from then.

There were probably a few things that got the innocents a loss:
1. Inactives. GOD FRICKIN DAMN IT. If Malakh, john, cindle, Double A, and thomas had been here at all, I might have not wasted my time on them (well, maybe thomas, his shouting was suspicious) and just went straight to askthepizzaguy, and they might have also had useful abilities to help us with.
2. The traitors had two amazing creators of bull crap (BL and ATPG), and 4 players who were really good wolves. Catharsis is totally right.
3. The Illians had a protector that was infiltrating our prophet group. Since I actually saw the protection field protecting sprig with my ability, we thought Autolycus was innocent. Who could blame us, wolves don't tend to have protection abilities, or use them on innocents. We probably would have never found him if not for his screw-up. And it did buy the traitors time while we focused on the Illians, forcing us to use some vigilante kill items to take them out before they could kill us while the Traitors killed us all and avoided out suspicion just one night long enough.
4. The numbers of wolves. None of us suspected 4 traitors and 8 bad guys total. I mentioned in a PM that metagame me thought that two teams of three and one lone person seemed most likely, stupid me. As a result, I was looking for 2 people instead of three in those final PM's I sent to the innocent group, which screwed me up a bit. Had I known there were 3 traitors left, I would have known that my math was wrong immdiately and we wouldn't have been so careless on those final two or three days.

That's all, really.

Oh, and BTW, what was that game-breaking thing Renata found on Day 0?

 

[Seon]

I didn't know that game has started and lied to Remata that I didn't have my role-pm to avoid getting interrogated. Turns out Backward logic did the same and it got her thinking that what if all the wolves got their PMs late...

So sorry

 

[Backwards Logic]

This I'm not proud of.

Before the game had started, I had been discussing other things with Renata and NOTW came up out of the blue. Not wanting to discuss the game before it started, I basically lied to her about not receiving the starting PM. My reasoning being that I was afraid she'd become suspicious of me not wanting to discuss the game before it started, even though later it had been revealed to me later this would not have been the case. I was working under the assumption that why wouldn't the innocents want to discuss things before it started to get a head start on things, and being a traitor I was afraid of accidentally revealing something that shouldn't have been known from the start if one was an innocent. Unbeknownst to me Seon would use the same lie later, and coupled with Khazaar's public post of not receiving his PM it got the wheels turning a bit.

The kicker was when Khazaar out of the blue voted to elect me Captain. I have no idea why he chose me, and I'm extremely curious as to why he did. Anyway, as I understand it Renata saw the connection between Khazaar and I with the voting in the thread and 'knew' about the PM 'issue' we all had, so she went to Paulus wondering if in fact any of the three players were in fact on the bad guy's side as usually players on the same team receive their PM around the same time. With Paulus confirming Seon and myself being on the traitor's side, she stepped aside because with this knowledge and how it came to be there was no way she could continue with the game. For this, I give her a lot of credit.

While I stated it before to both Paulus and Renata, I am extremely sorry about the way that played out. It most certainly was not the intention. The impact I'm certain was not a trivial thing, so much so that had this chain of events not happened I'm willing to go as far as to say the outcome of this game could have been very different. As a player who prides himself on being able to see the big picture (well, most of the time), I'm extremely disappointed with myself and quite frankly embarrassed I missed something so incredibly game-breaking. Let this serve as a warning to all future games and players that matters of who has received their PM and who hasn't received their PM should not be trifled with. Again, my sincere apologies to both Paulus and Renata.

 

[Diamondeye]

lurker's comment: I think that in the interests of fairness, next time he's a wolf, Backwards Logic should start the game tied up inside a locked steel crate at the bottom of a fast-flowing river somewhere in South America (he isn't told where).

The innocents might be able to scrape a win, depending on how many of his fingers the piranhas have eaten.

I lol'ed

This I'm not proud of.

Before the game had started, I had been discussing other things with Renata and NOTW came up out of the blue. Not wanting to discuss the game before it started, I basically lied to her about not receiving the starting PM. My reasoning being that I was afraid she'd become suspicious of me not wanting to discuss the game before it started, even though later it had been revealed to me later this would not have been the case. I was working under the assumption that why wouldn't the innocents want to discuss things before it started to get a head start on things, and being a traitor I was afraid of accidentally revealing something that shouldn't have been known from the start if one was an innocent. Unbeknownst to me Seon would use the same lie later, and coupled with Khazaar's public post of not receiving his PM it got the wheels turning a bit.

The kicker was when Khazaar out of the blue voted to elect me Captain. I have no idea why he chose me, and I'm extremely curious as to why he did. Anyway, as I understand it Renata saw the connection between Khazaar and I with the voting in the thread and 'knew' about the PM 'issue' we all had, so she went to Paulus wondering if in fact any of the three players were in fact on the bad guy's side as usually players on the same team receive their PM around the same time. With Paulus confirming Seon and myself being on the traitor's side, she stepped aside because with this knowledge and how it came to be there was no way she could continue with the game. For this, I give her a lot of credit.

While I stated it before to both Paulus and Renata, I am extremely sorry about the way that played out. It most certainly was not the intention. The impact I'm certain was not a trivial thing, so much so that had this chain of events not happened I'm willing to go as far as to say the outcome of this game could have been very different. As a player who prides himself on being able to see the big picture (well, most of the time), I'm extremely disappointed with myself and quite frankly embarrassed I missed something so incredibly game-breaking. Let this serve as a warning to all future games and players that matters of who has received their PM and who hasn't received their PM should not be trifled with. Again, my sincere apologies to both Paulus and Renata.

I have to agree with you there, that was unnecessary, and I feel bad for Renata missing out on the game. Since I died rather early, I had plenty of opportunity to talk to Renata concerning the reason she had to leave.

So, to re-iterate: Don't tell whether you have your PM or not. And don't ask, either. Just wait for the GM to tell people when everyone has them.

 

[Ekolite]

1. Inactives. GOD FRICKIN DAMN IT. If Malakh, john, cindle, Double A, and thomas had been here at all, I might have not wasted my time on them (well, maybe thomas, his shouting was suspicious) and just went straight to askthepizzaguy, and they might have also had useful abilities to help us with

If Malakh, john and cindle are inactive in the next game they play I will add them to the black list I talked about in the Info Thread. To my mind they seem to be serial inactives and don't show much interest in participating in the NOTW community. Thomas is obviously an exception here.

 

[Ekolite]

Also, you mention in the quicktopic that I was part of the ''innocent brigade'' and ''other bunch of players''. This wasn't actually all that true. I was scanned innocent by choxorn (or love I'm not sure which) and I was introduced to the innocent brigade. However I was strongly opposed to the way they were playing the game, trusting Autolycus after the Illian scandal (and asking me to help protect him) and also accepting ATPG into the group and taking directions from him without scanning him (a deadly sin of NOTWing).

When I heard about the Illian conversion scare I worried that some of the scanned innocents, or choxorn himself, had been converted. At this point I sent choxorn a PM essentially telling him that I was out. I didn't want to be associated with him, and certainly didn't want to follow his directions. I broke contact with him, but continued to rely on my status as confirmed innocent to protect me from becoming the target of a bandwagon.

 

[Khazaar]

I voted for the adventurer for the simple reason that he was Gregorian and I was too. Since I played Fall from Heaven a few times I knew that the Adventurer is a powerful Unit that could adopt (eg. choose another class) to whatever is neccesary or needed.

I was frustrated by my personal goal which seemed unatainable because everyone was too suspicious or too busy at night. The joke beeing that I received my single succesful training from ATPG the mafia mastermind.

As for the gamemechanics, were the two mafiagroups supposed to be killing eachother? The Illithians got wiped but the Shadowcouncil got throug mostly intact.

 

[TheLastOne36]

I was Gregorian as well Khazaar.

 

[Nictel]

Oh yeah I was wondering one thing, it was when I realised who the baddies were, because with the second bandwagon against me Winston, BL, ATPG all said I was scanned but refused to say what I was scanned as. Was this just a blatant lie or was I only scanned by choxorn before as inactive at night?

Also being a superpowered baddy on your own is awesome.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Here are some of the conversations I had in private. They should be more amusing when you read them knowing everything I am saying is on top of my own guilt. I honestly try to go for entertainment value when I play... sometimes I do things which are smart, and other times I do things which are indescribably dumb and risky.

Please enjoy the double-edged sword that is my private conversations. I usually converse in private regardless of my alignment, so I pretty much have to do so even when I am guilty or else people will notice a difference. That leads to a lot of ad-libbed material, and the dance between dumb and smart moves.

Spoiler :

The has really hit the fan in the background.

Getting reports of BL and Rhawn being baddies too,

Guess thats what happens when someone gets converted. So use to sending pm's to their mates they forget where they are meant to be sending them. Rofl.

NICE!!!

Okay, I think we wait until next round to reveal the others. We take it one at a time... maybe we can even get them to vote for their former scum buddies.

Hehehehe. I like this game!

What do you think of nictel? Once I started thinking about the idea of only one group of bad guys, he was only happy to reinforce it.

I wonder who to go after next. Rhawn is probably who we should target, the infomation provided indicates his guilt. The Illians tried to seed (i think) infomation that Backwards logic is guilty. I am thinking that maybe you should lead a vote against BL next day and see who follows, I think we might be able to capture some guilty parties that way?

FYI, Rhawn was the one who killed KingMorgan using the Black Flask. (The Flask was a bomb)

What do you think of nictel? Once I started thinking about the idea of only one group of bad guys, he was only happy to reinforce it.

I do not think so, not in a game this size. I don't trust Nictel at all, and I think he's a scummer. However, I am obviously biased on that point.

I wonder who to go after next. Rhawn is probably who we should target, the infomation provided indicates his guilt.

I agree. I have not been impressed by Rhawn's activity so far this game, we can afford to lose him even if the info is wrong, especially given how few night kills there are. But if you're getting such specific information, that means SOMEONE is guilty. So we kill one, then we kill the other if it is wrong.

The Illians tried to seed (i think) infomation that Backwards logic is guilty. I am thinking that maybe you should lead a vote against BL next day and see who follows, I think we might be able to capture some guilty parties that way?

Yes, I agree with this plan. Backwards Logic hasn't done all that much (and incidentally, as per my own side quest I'd kind of like to see him voted out as leader and me voted in, but that's not really here nor there). Whoever bandwagons Backwards Logic is probably just looking to score "I'm an innocent look at me kill whoever you ask" points.

Even if we can't reverse the bandwagon in time and target whoever wagon'ed him, it's not a really big loss unless Backwards Logic starts talking more.

None of my guys will follow. I might ask Choxorn to follow your vote. We will see who follows on.
then I will lead my vote against Rhawn. And choxorn can switch back.

FYI, Rhawn was the one who killed KingMorgan using the Black Flask. (The Flask was a bomb)

Interesting. Was that under your suggestion, or did he do that on his own>?

That was his own suggestion, I think Rhawn actually thought KM was a Traitor. KM's voting record didn't help him ether. Originally I wanted him to kill Seon. But since i could get him lynched why not.

One thing that is still in my favour is that I can control the lynch. Noone else is vocal enough.

Hi mate

Don't have much time, so I'll be blunt. I get a 1 time only kill with some special arrow **** that I have. If you can find me a killer I'll happily remove him from the game. Failing that, I'm willing to kill a converter (it's just my personal goal is to kill a wolf who is in the act of killing)

Krill

Hello-

the rumor is that you're a prophet or that you know a prophet.

I don't know if you're aware, but one of the members of the group is privately claiming to me the ability to do a kill only once during the game with a "special arrow". If you know of a target I will pass it along to our friend.

I am guessing he told me this privately because he wants to remain anonymous, but I don't quite see why I was trusted with the information over the people who are helping slay all the Illians. Nonetheless, there it is. Let me know of a target if you have one.

I don't know anyone who's a sure target, but our group of innocents (I've BCC'ed the PM to them) has a few suspects. We'll talk it over, maybe do some scanning, and get back to you.

Wassup

trusting you with a bit of info. I don;t know if you are a traitor or not, but others know this info anyway.

I have the ability to kill 1 person, standard lone killer ability. If you have a decent idea of who to target, I'm all ears.

Krill/Firebow

Well, I wish I could help, but I don't know any sure or highly suspicious targets. However, the process of elimination has lead me to two good choices:

I'm completely sure that Stuck in Pi and Ekolite are innocent, since Love scanned them and found them innocent. I'm almost completely sure that Backwards and Winston are innocent, since I've scanned them and saw them do nothing. I am fairly sure that you, ATPG, TForge, Khazaar, and TheLastOne are innocent, due to the way you five are acting- you just don't act in a way wolves tend to act like. Malakh, johnhughthom, and cindle have all been inactive and gone for several weeks, so they're probably not killers (or, if they are, there's no point in killing them, since they won't kill us). So that leaves Double A and thomas.

If I had to guess, I'd say they're probably both Traitors, as metagame me knows that 2 teams of 3 and 1 team of 1 is most likely given what we have seen so far, and they both act very un-innocent. My advice is to kill one of them with your ability, and lynch the other one tomorrow.

Of course, I could be wrong about this, I'm just guessing, but I don't have any better ideas. If anyone else has any better ideas, please tell me.

Khaazar is from the other community right?

I was thinking, people from the other community are pretty sneaky/good at this.

Is it possible this is all a trap by Khaazar for making himself look innocent and everything?

I think you should check him out tonight if you have nobody else in mind.

Also, I assume you have scanned backwards logic right?

I scanned BL on the first night.

I'm kind of suspicious of Khazaar too. The whole training thing seems kind of suspicious, I'm not sure if anyone actually can train him or if he just made that thing up to look innocet. And perhaps they are using the trick ATPG mentioned. If they are, then that means Malakh or John is probably one of the remaining ones. BL just voted for Malakh, so maybe we should follow him and lynch the inactives. It's not like we have any better targets, and we might get lucky.

I'll scan Khazaar tonight, and if I'm not dead, I'll tell you what I saw.

Khaazar is from the other community right?

I was thinking, people from the other community are pretty sneaky/good at this.

Is it possible this is all a trap by Khaazar for making himself look innocent and everything?

I think you should check him out tonight if you have nobody else in mind.

Also, I assume you have scanned backwards logic right?

I scanned BL on the first night.

I'm kind of suspicious of Khazaar too. The whole training thing seems kind of suspicious, I'm not sure if anyone actually can train him or if he just made that thing up to look innocet. And perhaps they are using the trick ATPG mentioned. If they are, then that means Malakh or John is probably one of the remaining ones. BL just voted for Malakh, so maybe we should follow him and lynch the inactives. It's not like we have any better targets, and we might get lucky.

I'll scan Khazaar tonight, and if I'm not dead, I'll tell you what I saw.

Just so you guys know (actually you probably do) I don't know Malakh that well, I think this is the first game I've played with him. I think he's from this forum, but if he's on a team with one of the .org people (orgahs) it's also possible they taught him that trick. Here's what I am thinking; if we harass the inactives like we are doing, any possible bad guys that are presently lurking will get nervous and start posting. Then we won't have to even guess, we can just nail them. If they are truly inactive (innocent) players, then they won't react at all to this move. If they are werewolves, and realize lurking leads to failure, they are forced to change tactics.


Khazaar is an excellent scan choice; He's very active down at the .org, and although he doesn't post much per game, he's very experienced at this. This is the third forum that I am aware of that he plays these sort of games on. Knowing he is on our side would be a great asset. I don't know why these guys haven't bothered to attack choxorn, but this is an unbelievable run of good luck. Still we should not for a second leave him unprotected. If someone has that ability, please use it, that's just basic stuff but I feel compelled to say it.

From the method of the kills, I'd suggest they have the same person doing it every night. I think we already killed one of their allies, or else they are a lone wolf murdering people. If we can catch them with the activity scan, we've nailed them. Also just a quick note, johnhughthom is another one of my orgah buddies. He's said nothing to me about this game, which isn't that unusual, but he's also not interacted with me in the thread, which is out of character. However we've been hit and miss and that's not really much of a case, just noteworthy.

Full disclosure, I have NO idea if I can actually train anyone. I have to ask the host what that even entails, or if I can even do it. Does anyone here have any mention of that in their role?


Final question, since we scanned Backwards Logic, should we invite him to these discussions?

Sounds like a gameplan. Malahk today, we scan Khazaar during the night. If Choxorn isn't alive tomorrow, we target Khazaar if nobody else comes up. Is that right?

On other news, I don't think I can protect myself for much longer, and I'm not as strong as I lead myself to be. (Diamondeye and me were actually a pair, we boosted each other's strength, so I guess Pauless didn't give me mucho strength because I would be to overpowered combined with my protection ability)

So I would really appreciate the Mithril set.

Sounds like a gameplan. Malahk today, we scan Khazaar during the night. If Choxorn isn't alive tomorrow, we target Khazaar if nobody else comes up. Is that right?

On other news, I don't think I can protect myself for much longer, and I'm not as strong as I lead myself to be. (Diamondeye and me were actually a pair, we boosted each other's strength, so I guess Pauless didn't give me mucho strength because I would be to overpowered combined with my protection ability)

So I would really appreciate the Mithril set.

I have no objections to you getting the Mithril set.

I have been hosting a MASSIVE game down at the .org, and I am beat, going offline for a while. When I get back I'll make a decision.

Also, be careful who you tell that you're not powerful. Keep that a secret, it may be the reason why you're still alive; fear. We'll talk more later.

I'm not telling anyone else.

The reason I am alive is because one of the first wolves to be lynched(don't remember who) was at first trustworthy of Sprig, and Sprig spread info that I had a protection ability. He must've spread it to the others before he died.

LOL I am still at my desk! I haven't gotten off my ass to do my chores and take a nap yet, sadly.

I just wanted to say, that's freakin' awesome that you told Sprig that. I was thinking, maybe it is possible to spread more misinformation through our little network.

The idea is, we have one of our dudes who has no abilities and is generally not that valuable (preferably also a suspect, just in case there's still two evil factions remaining) and have them claim some valuable ability. We tell only choxorn this, because he's our prophet and the least likely to be guilty.

Then we spread the lie through our group, and even the people who aren't inside it, and wait and see if they get attacked. It could spare choxorn for another round, and it could totally misdirect these guys into killing off our own suspects for us, at a minimum of cost.

I did stuff like that in Capo III, where I would claim to members of my own townie network that certain people were valuable, and then the infiltrators (every network has infiltrators) told their mafia allies to whack the people I said were valuable.

At the end of the game we still had 2 doctors, investigators, and roleblockers remaining. (I was on fire that game.)

That kind of tactic works, and I seriously think it would be a good idea to implement it.

Ok sorry for the mafia terminology but I think it also applies here. The risks are basically nil and the potential gains are massive. Are you guys up for it?

Hey Pizzaguy,

I appreciate you offering to assist me. To my knowledge all you have to do is send orders to Paulus that you will train me tonight. I´ll do the same and that should be it, let´s see if it works...

Khazaar

Hello PaulusIII-

If it is possible for me to train Khazaar, please allow me to do so. Otherwise, disregard this request.

Now is the perfect chance for someone to claim a one-shot defender or something, to confuse the traitors.

Who do we have as a suspect that could claim such a thing? We can't use me or Khazaar, because Khazaar already claimed he has no abilities besides "being trained", and so did I claim no abilities.

Perhaps one of our semi-lukers? Thomas.berubeg, is he still alive? The OP hasn't been updated.

Now is the perfect chance for someone to claim a one-shot defender or something, to confuse the traitors.

Who do we have as a suspect that could claim such a thing? We can't use me or Khazaar, because Khazaar already claimed he has no abilities besides "being trained", and so did I claim no abilities.

Perhaps one of our semi-lukers? Thomas.berubeg, is he still alive? The OP hasn't been updated.

Wait? What one shot defending? You mean protection ability for one night?

I don't know who... The mafia already know that I have a protection ability.

Your not sending this PM to Krill, does that mean you do not trust him?

Also can you confirm that Khaazar is innocent?

If you figure out a plan, I will follow it to the word, I am not experienced enough to come up with anything myself.

I assume Thomas is alive...

To be honest TLO, I don't know who to trust. We've had our glorious leader around this whole time, Backwards Logic. I think he mentioned something about surviving attacks way back in the early part of the game, which is fine... but that doesn't prove him innocent in a game with multiple bad guys. Next we have Winston Hughes who has had almost no pressure on him all game. Why is he skating through the game? We also have several others that choxorn scanned, but he never did find the one responsible for the murders, did he?

This leads me to believe he didn't scan the right person... or, worse, he did scan the right person but they were inactive that night. At this point, we honestly have to take those detective results and set them aside, because they are inconclusive. Everyone, and I mean everyone, who hasn't demonstrated a viable night action is a suspect. That's the brass tacks of the situation.

Now, if you've got a protection ability, the questions posed to you by Backwards Logic are legitimate... we could have used choxorn alive. What happened? Who were you protecting, if I may ask?

I honestly could use a little protection at this point, I've got several things going against me:

1. I don't have a high strength score
2. I've been a part of the lynch on several baddies
3. Last night I basically proved myself innocent.

Bottom line is that I really, really need protection. Unless you know someone else who is more deserving, my friend.

I realize our plan was to lynch Khazaar but I am not sure of it.

I am willing to go along with it this time, but if it does not work, I would like to suggest a lynch candidate next round. I am pretty good at these sort of games, and if the game continues after this round, I'd like another chance to nail them. I just need support.

I've had you as a sort of confidante and ally for a while now, and if you are bad (you might have been converted or something) then you've done a good job convincing me of your innocence. However I am not convinced on anyone else, really.

I need some time to think. Thomas.berubeg has gotten awfully quiet, since his loud, huge-text days... maybe he has some reason not to attract attention to himself.

Krill, he's making a rather obvious play for the weapon this round... that makes me uncomfortable, but choxorn suggested we can trust him. Then again, choxorn wasn't a "true" prophet, just an activity scanner, unless I am missing something.

This game isn't over, and the lack of participation is disturbing. We cannot win without the votes to do things, and like half of us are voting.

Hey Pizzaguy,

I appreciate you offering to assist me. To my knowledge all you have to do is send orders to Paulus that you will train me tonight. I´ll do the same and that should be it, let´s see if it works...


Khazaar

I put a lot on the line training you... I thought about it a lot and I agree that the odds are, a mafia or werewolf would not need to be "trained" in order to function. But at the same time I worry about things like "what if he becomes a serial killer?" and so forth. These NOTW games are complicated and I don't want to unleash something nasty which could mess us up when we are so close to victory.

A lot of the townspeople are inactive right now. I will be asking for your help to finish this one off in victory. If we both survive the night, we need to be able to outvote whatever threats remain.

I find it very interesting that Stuck in Pi and Thomas.berubeg have decided to post at this late stage of the game. I think we have ourselves a case of classic lurker strategy about to happen. I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts of who is guilty.

I note that Krill may have killed someone as a vigilante, but I've seen mafia without the ability to kill except with a weapon. In the previous NOTW game, which I lost, I couldn't kill without a poisoned item. It may be why Krill wanted the item. However, our prophet seemed to trust him. The question is whether I continue to follow the dead prophet who could only scan for activity, or follow my mafia instincts. Choxorn's plan was, that we were all supposed to lynch you today... it very nearly happened. I hope I gambled correctly in opposing his wishes on that one; I don't want to be single-handedly responsible for a town loss by defying the winning strategy for no reason at all except insatiable curiosity.

We had one kill last night, my gut instinct tells me that Krill might be mafia hinding behind a vigilante abli9lity. I don´t know if you stand in contact with him, but i found it odd that he voted for me right off the bat without any sort of explanation this late in the game..

I'm not sure about Krill, but there's not that many left to choose from. However, the fact that he's blindly following choxorn's plan seems to indicate he knows it was the wrong course of action somehow. THAT indicates a prior knowledge of who is guilty and who is innocent. Which of course, could mean he's guilty.

I believe you are innocent because of the training thing, and at this stage, anyone who is that enthusiastic about lynching an innocent is either not paying attention/bad townie, or guilty mafia. I agree with your assessment that he's a top suspect. However choxorn thought that he was innocent, because of the vigilante move. He could just be a bad townie. I find it very interesting that thomas.berubeg chose this moment to show up. I feel about him exactly how I felt when Sigurd and boudica won Chicago Soiree... I simply can't allow someone who has been lurking for half the game to win. I note that he's had PLENTY of time to get caught up and comment since he's been "busy with finals". Sounds like a plausible RL excuse, but not anymore. He should have commented by now.

Either Krill or thomas.berubeg, in my opinion.

For every training I receive I gain one strenght, nothing else. Personal Goal: Gain at least 2 strength points from someone willing to teach you how to fight. So if you don´t have a nightability like me I´d ask you to train me again. At least you´ll know that I did nothing else that night...

Don't worry, I believe that you're innocent. Otherwise you've really messed with my brain. That's a good lie, if it is one. Just send me a reminder about the training, since we've been waiting a week or so on it being day phase.

Why was I supposed to be lynched, what was Choxorn's argument?

The reason why he wanted to lynch you is because of who he's scanned so far. IIRC he's scanned at least three of the people who are still alive, who were not killing at night. I have to go back and check my inbox to see who they are. I don't think I was one of them, but I was definitely not doing anything last night, so your little training side-mission is really helping us narrow down the suspects.

We're very lucky that the scanning targets are still alive. If the mafia had killed them off, we'd be sunk right about now due to the lack of discussion in-thread.

Also, before I forget:

choxorn suggested that you would be the one to be lynched if he died last night, because he was going to scan you for activity. That is why there were some who were dead-set on destroying you.

Well lo and behold, guess who died last night? Choxorn. He shared this plan with myself, Krill, Stuck in Pi, and Thelastone36. I believe one of them leaked the plan to the mafia, and that is why choxorn was killed, so that you would be an easy and automatic lynch today. Stuck in Pi, TheLastOne, and Krill were all very eager to follow this plan, but they weren't the only ones. So if you are innocent as you say, I am thinking one of these is guilty. I had considered TheLastOne innocent all game long, but I suppose it is possible it is him. Stuck in Pi I do not trust, and Krill...

Well there's Krill's name again. It seems to come up a lot when discussing suspects.

Looking through my inbox, I see that Backwards Logic was scanned by choxorn as being inactive at night, so he's not our killer. We've had the same killer almost all game long. Winston Hughes was also scanned rather recently. You and I have been busy with training, and I believe I was scanned at one point as well. You were to be scanned last night, but choxorn's death fouled it up.

TheLastOne, if he is a defender, should have defended choxorn as I told him to. I said it privately and I said it explicitly in the thread to anyone who was listening and who still had defensive powers the round prior. People really need to listen to me, our detective would still be alive.

Sorry, needed to rant.