Question Evolution! 15 questions evolutionists cannot adequately answer

[The_J]

You know what? I give up. They win. I do know everything.

The cleverer give in.

 

[kramerfan86]

Simplifying evolutionary stance as "my dog is here it must have evolved" along with your other stances just proves your level of basic scientific understanding is so poor that its no wonder you think the concept is impossible to understand or prove.

 

[bathsheba666]

and thats why evolution can't be considered scientific fact.

@Civ2

There are no Facts in scientific method. Facts are the observables period.

Hypothesis is arranging the facts. Theory is conclusions based on the arrangement. This allows further hypothesis as apposed to a Fact that later "can" be proved wrong.

You cannot tell them Genesis is a Fact. It was not revealed (to scientist) as an observable. That "record" has been tainted, and proven wrong.

On the other Hand, today, scientist think that theory came first and then creationist realized that the Bible does not fit any more so now they are attacking ToE.

Reality check here: The "record" did come first, and Mr Darwin made the mistake of trying to adapt science to the "record". Thus failing, modern science would not give up and kept trying. Now that they have more "evidence", they no longer need the "record". Therefore the "record" can be relegated to myth.





I do not think that "origin" was ever meant to replace God. It is just the natural evolution of that vein of research. There did come a point where the Why has been blurred with the How. Neither are relative any more. For 2000 years religion has blurred the world view lense. Globalization has almost wiped out that "fact". It is almost like humans have thrown off the curse of babel and once more reached out and have "become" godlike.

timtofly
I'm not even talking about Genesis or any other religious points.
(And that's the MAIN point where they are wrong. I was disillusioned about evolution back then in school, when I wasn't yet "too religious".)
Evolution doesn't make much sense (and is 100% unprovable) from the "normal" point of view!!!
All they say is "it should've been that way - look, my dog is here, so he must've evolved".
Which is nonsense and will remain such regardless of how much "science points" you will put on it.

kramer
I couldn't care less about the WORDS/FORMULAS/REASONS you give about how the rock falls.
All I need is to SEE IT FALLING.
And in evolution - this is IMPOSSIBLE!!!
For anyone!!!
Ever!!!
Got my point of why I do not consider it any more then a "theory"???

Casting your minds back over your educations...

What was the most complex and elegant fact you ever learned? And how many times did it have to be told to you before you got it ?

Summarise it here in a way that everyone can understand.

 

[Leoreth]

The civ2 posting algorithm:

IF post contains a tiny agreement with your position
        THEN inflate this agreement into complete victory
ELSE IF post disagrees with you THEN
        IF arguments are understood THEN raise your standards
        ELSE repeat what you've posted earlier

even some atheists doubt evolution.

And many theists support evolution.

Why should personal religious beliefs matter here anyway?

 

[Arakhor]

Civ2, I'm waiting for a full skeletal record of Adam and Even to prove the Creation and for genetic data supporting the supposition that Sarah was 90+ when she gave birth. Otherwise, it never happened.

 

[kramerfan86]

Civ2, I'm waiting for a full skeletal record of Adam and Even to prove the Creation and for genetic data supporting the supposition that Sarah was 90+ when she gave birth. Otherwise, it never happened.

More importantly how in the world did a species survive repeated inbreeding like that? Go ahead, take two animals and exclusively breed them over and over with themselves, their children, the children with their siblings and their siblings offspring. See what happens and gets back to me. You say evolution is unbelievable? THAT much inbreeding much less believable, and you suggest humanity survived it TWICE.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

Civ2, I'm waiting for a full skeletal record of Adam and Even to prove the Creation and for genetic data supporting the supposition that Sarah was 90+ when she gave birth. Otherwise, it never happened.

he isn't trying to force it down your throat, evolutionists want to make everyone believe what they say.

 

[Sonereal]

he isn't trying to force it down your throat, evolutionists want to make everyone believe what they say.

Do you need help lighting that match so you can burn the strawman?

Do you get mad at your elementary child's math teacher for wanting their students to believe that 2+2 is most of the time 4?

 

[mangxema]

I couldn't care less about the WORDS/FORMULAS/REASONS you give about how the rock falls.
All I need is to SEE IT FALLING.
And in evolution - this is IMPOSSIBLE!!!
For anyone!!!
Ever!!!

You absolutely can see evolution in action, for organisms with sufficiently short lifespans (bacteria, flies, etc.).

 

[Leoreth]

he isn't trying to force it down your throat, evolutionists want to make everyone believe what they say.

Wrong. We just want to keep science classes to, you know, science.

 

[kramerfan86]

he isn't trying to force it down your throat, evolutionists want to make everyone believe what they say.

I cant speak for others, but frankly I dont mind if you want to believe biblical books over science, go for it, your loss. What I mind, and what originally started this thread, is an attempt to trade time spent teaching science for time spent teaching religion, especially when the arguments are built on the backs of such terrible logic.

_____ being complicated is not a justification of something being done by God. Most of the things we easily understand today used to be blamed on gods because they were "too hard" to understand. The sun, the tides, weather, chemistry, the planets, physiology, etc. If everyone took that line of logic, we'd still think you got sick because you angered the gods, that weather was dictated by pleasing higher authority, the sun was dragged across the sky by a chariot, etc. if you want to go home and tell your kid your personal beliefs fine, but that doesnt mean its science or that it belongs in a classroom

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

_____ being complicated is not a justification of something being done by God. Most of the things we easily understand today used to be blamed on gods because they were "too hard" to understand. The sun, the tides, weather, chemistry, the planets, physiology, etc. If everyone took that line of logic, we'd still think you got sick because you angered the gods, that weather was dictated by pleasing higher authority, the sun was dragged across the sky by a chariot, etc. if you want to go home and tell your kid your personal beliefs fine, but that doesnt mean its science or that it belongs in a classroom

God is not just an explanation for what we don't know, look at any religion.

 

[kramerfan86]

God is not just an explanation for what we don't know, look at any religion.

He isnt JUST that, but is often used as a blunt instrument to explain the "unexplainable".

 

[ParadigmShifter]

True, God also builds a paradise garden with fruit which must not be eaten, and gives a serpent the power of speech in order to entice people to eat the fruit, which results in all of humanity being seriously bummed in the gob.

 

[kiwitt]

Prayer does not work ... science does

 

[Midgard Eagle]

Evolution doesn't make much sense (and is 100% unprovable) from the "normal" point of view!!!
All they say is "it should've been that way - look, my dog is here, so he must've evolved".

Yup. Evolution became the cornerstone of biology because someone in your school said dogs must have evolved, and that therefore the ToE is real. They also disproved God by saying that if there was a bearded man in the sky, we would've been able to see him.

:cough, strawman, cough:

I couldn't care less about the WORDS/FORMULAS/REASONS you give about how the rock falls.
All I need is to SEE IT FALLING.
And in evolution - this is IMPOSSIBLE!!!

Why?

Edumacate yourself.
http://talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html#observe
http://talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
http://talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html

Got my point of why I do not consider it any more then a "theory"???

But a "theory" isn't... we've already told you ten times that... for goodness' sake, do you even read our... wha... b...

The clever ones give up, indeed.

Nope that isnt enough. They need to see the rock fall, and then they need scientists to show me what gravity actually looks like. We must demand to SEE gravity. Otherwise you cant prove its not just God pulling the rock down. Intelligent gravity is truth defacto because science cant provide 100% total utter evidence anything else causes it IMO.

What makes this analogy so fantastic is that once upon a time Christians did believe that things fell because it was God's will.

he isn't trying to force it down your throat, evolutionists want to make everyone believe what they say.

So that's why you prefer your religion over "evolutionism" -- because Christians have never cared what others have thought of them and would never, ever, try to sway anyone to their view or "go out to save souls", no way, no how.

If my irony meter hadn't already exploded in a fireball, it would've been a mushroom cloud now.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

I don't see the Moon falling. In fact it's getting further away. By about 3.78cm a year.

Gravity? LIES.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

Prayer does not work ... science does

so you can't have both science and religion?

 

[PeteAtoms]

I don't see the Moon falling. In fact it's getting further away. By about 3.78cm a year.

Gravity? LIES.

IIRC, the Earth is also falling around the Sun.

 

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