Roe vs Wade overturned

Big Tech silent on data privacy in post-Roe America

Period- and fertility-tracking apps have become weapons in Friday's post-Roe America.

These seemingly innocuous trackers contain tons of data about sexual history, menstruation and pregnancy dates, all of which could now be used to prosecute women seeking abortions — or incite digital witch hunts in states that offer abortion bounties.

"We are just a few steps away from digital dragnets for people who are providing access and possibly for people seeking abortions," EFF Director of Cybersecurity Eva Galperin told The Register.

And fertility-tracking apps are just the tip of the digital surveillance iceberg.

Yes, they are "often a privacy and/or security nightmare," Galperin said. "They track a lot of various sensitive health data including data about whether a person is potentially pregnant." But, she added, there's a bigger concern.

"The single greatest danger right now is the location data sale industry, location data brokers, and also the privacy of your web searches," Galperin said. "One of the very first steps that people take when they are searching for abortion information is a web search."

The second step often includes mapping out a health clinic, or a drug store that could be visited to pick up an abortion pill.

However, more than just maps collect location data. All sorts of apps, from weather to retail, use devices' GPS technology to track users' locations and unless someone opts out, these trackers can pinpoint exactly where a user is without any manual data entry.

Location data company Placer.ai, for example, claims its software is deployed on more than 20 million devices and over 500 mobile applications. Ostensibly, this location data is to allow, say, Target to display targeted ads to devices about nearby stores. But it's also a multi-billion-dollar market, and this location data — including health and reproductive information — can be collected, bought, and sold without users' knowledge.

"Companies gather this data, sell it to data brokers, and the data brokers sell it to third parties and sometimes fourth and fifth parties until they can no longer keep track of where that data is — and that is very concerning," Galperin said.

Last month, as it became increasingly clear that constitutional abortion protections would soon be eliminated, EFF warned that "service providers can expect a raft of subpoenas and warrants seeking user data that could be employed to prosecute abortion seekers, providers, and helpers."

The online civil liberties organization also told technology firms to "expect pressure to aggressively police the use of their services," along with new demands to hand over information to law enforcement as this data "may be classified in many states as facilitating a crime."
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As someone who does not live among Christians, can I ask you all a more elemental question?

Why do Republicans oppose abortions in the first place?
  • Is there anything in the Protestant belief that strictly forbids abortions?
  • Are Evangelists really that many, or so powerful, to alter the views of the whole Republican public on such a dividing matter?
  • Is it not about religion at all? Is it plain old social conservativism and a desire to keep the daughters pure until marriage? If so, why is it such a determind position?
 
As someone who does not live among Christians, can I ask you all a more elemental question?

Why do Republicans oppose abortions in the first place?
  • Is there anything in the Protestant belief that strictly forbids abortions?
  • Are Evangelists really that many, or so powerful, to alter the views of the whole Republican public on such a dividing matter?
  • Is it not about religion at all? Is it plain old social conservativism and a desire to keep the daughters pure until marriage? If so, why is it such a determind position?

Traditionally it was catholics who banned abortion (iirc it was banned in Ireland until very recently).
But protestantism also had groups that were very puritanical, and maybe those feature more prominently in the history of the US.
Also, Cromwell, protector of the realm ^_^
 
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As someone who does not live among Christians, can I ask you all a more elemental question?

Why do Republicans oppose abortions in the first place?
  • Is there anything in the Protestant belief that strictly forbids abortions?
  • Are Evangelists really that many, or so powerful, to alter the views of the whole Republican public on such a dividing matter?
  • Is it not about religion at all? Is it plain old social conservativism and a desire to keep the daughters pure until marriage? If so, why is it such a determind position?

First, there is no "the" Protestant belief. There tends to be a strong anti-abortion sentiment among Evangelicals, but I am not sure where it comes from, because it is not tied to some central doctrine. Biblical support for it is strenuous. Anti-abortion seemed to be quite central to the unholy pact of Evangelicals with Republicans and I guess at one point Republicans had to deliver.

The social conservatism (or reactionism) is certainly a part of it. There is a strong sentiment that if women remained pure, there would be no need for abortions and unwanted pregnancies are a punishment for straying from the path. There is also a strong misogyny component to it, since it is always the women that are supposed to suffer, never the men.
 
I don't think this has anything to do with any denomination in particular.
If in Germany something crazy religious comes up, it normally comes from a catholic background. Go over the border to the Netherlands, and it's most likely from a protestant background. Who's more radical or moderate is directely the opposite in 2 very closely related countries. So I'd say this is not religious per se.
 
I don't think this has anything to do with any denomination in particular.
If in Germany something crazy religious comes up, it normally comes from a catholic background. Go over the border to the Netherlands, and it's most likely from a protestant background. Who's more radical or moderate is directely the opposite in 2 very closely related countries. So I'd say this is not religious per se.
Lol you named two sects of a religion.

Let's not pretend this isn't a religious thing when it's 100% a religious (Christian) thing
 
Almost all of us live in culturally Christian areas, so that's not saying a lot.
 
Honest question: how can they enforce this?

It's a great question. The most basic answer is, they don't, to any real degree. By making it illegal, at a stroke it prevents commercial or nonprofit organizations from assisting in any coherent way. Throw in that nasty Texas bounty thing, and it becomes UndergroundRailroad-ish for pregnant women that don't own cars, and all for the cost of a stroke of the legislative pen.
 
Almost all of us live in culturally Christian areas, so that's not saying a lot.
The more nutso Christian a country is the more stuff like this happens.

Look @ Poland where abortion is only legal if the woman's life is in danger vs a much more secular, progressive country like Sweeden where you can get an abortion up to 18 weeks no questions asked.
 
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Yeah, strong correlation between high religiosity and support for abortion ban.

I’ve only had the topic of abortion come up once in polite conversation. The man with whom I was speaking had a car covered in religious symbols, stickers with biblical verses, and bizarrely, these giant goofy eyelashes on his car’s headlights.

Probably goes without saying what his position on abortion was.
 
Honest question: how can they enforce this?

As I explained to Valka, the idea isn't to prevent people from doing this (so, no checkpoints at the border or anything like that), but rather to punish cis women and trans people for trying. And in that case there is a great deal they can do to enforce this. The biggest one is that police can, through your phone or computer, access all of your communications, your emails, your emailed receipts, your idle google searches, and everywhere you've been with your phone. As others have pointed out on Twitter, if you own a car manufactured after ~2007, that car probably came with mandatory tracking software preinstalled in the car, so the police can know where you've been simply from that. Obviously they cannot magically determine if you've done it, anymore than they could for any other crime. But if they've been notified by someone that it's happened (say, someone looking to pocket $10,000, or your regular doctor or hospital that doesn't want to get slapped with a fine), then proving that it's happened and punishing you for it is very very easy if you don't take a ton of precautions.
 
The more nutso Christian a country is the more stuff like this happens.

You might have set your nets too narrow here. For example abortion is illegal in Mauritania where 'nutso' Christians make up less then 1% of the population!
 
You might have set your nets too narrow here. For example abortion is illegal in Mauritania where 'nutso' Christians make up less then 1% of the population!
It's a Muslim republic. In terms of religious repression Muslims got even Christians beat.
 
The biggest one is that police can, through your phone or computer, access all of your communications, your emails, your emailed receipts, your idle google searches, and everywhere you've been with your phone. As others have pointed out on Twitter, if you own a car manufactured after ~2007, that car probably came with mandatory tracking software preinstalled in the car, so the police can know where you've been simply from that. Obviously they cannot magically determine if you've done it, anymore than they could for any other crime. But if they've been notified by someone that it's happened (say, someone looking to pocket $10,000, or your regular doctor or hospital that doesn't want to get slapped with a fine), then proving that it's happened and punishing you for it is very very easy if you don't take a ton of precautions.

I understand that it is all in the field of speculation, but still -
If they don't bother to track down drug buyers so tightly, I see no reason to fear of such persecutions over illegal abortions.
Not unless some really major changes occur, something bigger than a Trump re-election.
 
Hopefully this will be the wakeup call the left needs to stop focusing on minutea while the more focused right continues dismantling things.
You would have thought it would be a wake up call to basically any woman to not vote republican. I am doubt it, but I am not sure why.
 
In the past, many pro choice voters may have not bothered too much what
happened at the state level because they understood Roe v Wade prevailed.

Now the Supreme Court has decided that it is for the legislatures, abortion
will suddenly becomes the key deciding issue in many/most state elections.

But I do not know how this may impact the mid-term US federal elections.
 
In the past, many pro choice voters may have not bothered too much what
happened at the state level because they understood Roe v Wade prevailed.

Now the Supreme Court has decided that it is for the legislatures, abortion
will suddenly becomes the key deciding issue in many/most state elections.

But I do not know how this may impact the mid-term US federal elections.
Initially, it may not have a large effect. I would expect it to become larger over time. More and more people are going to hear stories of difficulties and bad situations as time goes on. As the anecdotes accumulate, it will likely have a greater effect.

By the time the issue starts to sway large numbers of people, the ban will have become status quo, I imagine. The people upset now are those with a pre-existing position, any shifts will take time to occur as personal experiences add up.
 
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