Stop using B.C.E. and C.E. you cretins!

Well I think many people are especially intrigued by Star Treks' epic scale. By its monumental story arch, the vastness of this universe and of the time period covered. And doing so means to exactly not just view movies or episodes as works of their own, but works of something bigger. That is just the appeal many see - including me.

Yeah, that appeals to me too, but I'm realistic! :p I realize that each series and even individual episodes are written and produced by different people.. people who are more interested in entertaining the audience more than anything else.

It's just unrealistic to expect a fully self-contained Universe that's near-perfect in consistency when you're talking about a Hollywood creation. Within 1 season, sure, that's sort of doable.. it doesn't really happen very often, but it's doable. 7 season? Eh, that's much harder. Across multiple series and almost a dozen movies? Come on, be realistic.. Why do you think they did a "reboot"? There's just too much baggage to try to keep track of. Which I'm sure they do try - just not nearly as hard as some people would want them to.


And from that POV - the call for consistency isn't just nerdy pointless nit-picking. It is the demand of consumers of a piece of art that it nurtures an aspect considered important to the enjoyment of it. If you want to enjoy ST as one giant universe, inconsistency can ruin the fun.

Yeah, it's just the people who make these episodes don't care as much about that... and in many cases they really can't.

There isn't an accepted-by-the-studio "canon". They don't have a big book that outlines what the Star Trek Universe is like and what's contained within it. It's the fans that each have their own notions of what should be contained in this canon. There are fan community (sort of) accepted pillars that not too many people would disagree about, but the disagreements start with the details...

So it's not like the studio can even reference some sort of a book that lists the canon - because such a thing doesn't exist. So it's not like they can hire a "consistency guru" to oversee production of each episode. Not only would he have no background material to reference when making his "this isn't consistent" calls, it would also incredibly stifle the production of the show. I suppose he could first produce a giant "Star Trek Bible", but the Star Trek Universe isn't exactly very consistent.. So where do you start and what do you throw out? It's impossible, at this point. If it was done before the show began, it would be.. but..

I mean, you can get incredibly picky with this stuff, and different fans view different things as being important. If you're going to have a guy making sure that there aren't any consistencies.. guess what! There's been decades of Star Trek! It's all incredibly inconsistent.. You're not going to be able to make the next episode inconsistent when the entire Universe is already out of whack.

Me? I care about consistency, but not in such a pedantic manner. If a species shows up in episode 2 and then they're back in episode 17 with a slightly different type of nose, I won't care too much. If a minor's character name is messed up - meh, mistakes happen. The sort of consistency problems I have an issue with is something that has a huge impact on the story. If the story is about a planet that they're trying to get to because it has the fountain of youth on it - and in season 2 all of a sudden that is conveniently forgotten.. THEN I'll start moaning and groaning about consistency. Most of the things other Star Trek complain about? Doesn't bother me too much.

That said - I also partially agree with you. To want total consistency is somewhat a fools game. What is called for is some lightness and relaxation, a little open-mindedness to the lack of sense, then one can still enjoy the "universe-feeling" without getting angry about all the inconsistencies all the time.

I do demand a universe I can immerse myself in when I watch a movie or read a book.. but it doesn't have to be 100% consistent to the very last detail. That's just an unrealistic expectation.
 
The English word tomato comes from the Spanish word, tomate, derived Nahuatl (Aztec language) word, tomatl. It first appeared in print in 1595. A member of the deadly nightshade family, tomatoes were erroneously thought to be poisonous (although the leaves are poisonous) by Europeans who were suspicious of their bright, shiny fruit. Native versions were small, like cherry tomatoes, and most likely yellow rather than red.
Tomatoes, chillis, potatoes, tobacco, sweetcorn, er

Syphillis...
 
Yeah, the syphillisation of America.
 
Wait. I thought syphilis came from the Caribbean

The exact origin of syphilis is unknown.[4] Of two primary hypotheses, one proposes syphilis was carried to Europe by the returning crewmen from Christopher Columbus's voyage to the Americas, the other proposes syphilis existed in Europe previously, but went unrecognized. These are referred to as the "Columbian" and "pre-Columbian" hypotheses, respectively.[15] The Columbian hypothesis is best supported by the available evidence.
 
Wait. I thought syphilis came from the Caribbean

The quote substantiates the Columbian Exchange it seems.

And if it did come from the Carribbean, well, that still makes it part of the exchange.

And let's not forget it wasn't one way:
Cows, pigs, horses, norwegian rats, smallpox, wheat etc. went the other way.
 
I still can't tell you what a gram or a meter is, nor can I visualize them. I can't even get close.

For this, as long as they change the label but leave the date sequence the same I will be fine.

This sort of thing is of course, liberalism at work. They would love to screw up the calendar as part of their effort to rewrite history.
 
Yes, I read the book. Quite a while ago. It was impressive. But I don't know really how much is still valid. I suspect that it's come in for a fair bit of criticism, which I haven't kept up with.

The Third Chimpanzee and that other one about failing civilizations...tsk can't remember...were also worth reading.

edit: FYI Mr C: A gram is a little less than a ton. And a meter is something the electricity man comes and reads once in a while.
 
The theory there Gums, Germs and Steal, yeah. I think that its just common sense. It could well be true. But it might not be.

Its pretty clear that Western Civ has produced more Great People but we are running Free Religion now so we will get 100% less.
 
The theory there Gums, Germs and Steal, yeah. I think that its just common sense. It could well be true. But it might not be.

Its pretty clear that Western Civ has produced more Great People but we are running Free Religion now so we will get 100% less.

Are you implying that we were running pacifism before? :crazyeye:

Besides, explain to me, in detail, how we go about not having free religion anymore.

What formal charges would I face for being an atheist and how would the sentence be handed down?
 
The quote substantiates the Columbian Exchange it seems.

And if it did come from the Carribbean, well, that still makes it part of the exchange.

And let's not forget it wasn't one way:
Cows, pigs, horses, norwegian rats, smallpox, wheat etc. went the other way.

From what I recall, horses were actually returning to their original area. They had first evolved in North America, migrated to Asia, died off in NA, then were re-introduced to NA by Europeans.
 
From what I recall, horses were actually returning to their original area. They had first evolved in North America, migrated to Asia, died off in NA, then were re-introduced to NA by Europeans.

This is true. However, what was reintroduced was the asian descendents of the NA originals. They weren't the originals and were therefor invasive I guess. But still, you're right.
 
Because Star Wars>Star Trek.
 
You can't handle the truth.
 
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