The end of Civ3 is now here.

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

With Civ4 out now, you will see slowly but surely, less and less people come into this forum. I guarantee it. The fact is that we still do not know if unit making will even be possible with Civ4. This means that Civ4 currently is not moddable, no matter what anyone says. Without new units, you cannot have a mod.

Dom Pedro II is gone, Civarmy is gone, Aaglo is gone, Kinboat is gone, Utahjazz just released his last unit. For creators only Bjorn, Wyrmshadow, Orthanc, Hikoro Torayama and myself are still around. And out of all of them, I'm the only one who consisitantly will be making human units.

So this is it, like it or not, Civ3 is now dying.

 

[D.Durand]

Mmh... I not buy Civ4. I'm on Linux since few month and, as a lot of people, i have NO intention to return on Windows for a game.
I have always my old Win98se, that's all.

And for other reasons :

- Ugly 3D. Need for a LOT of power. Under a os that need a LOT a power...
- Littles map. Explanations are suspect, and it seem Sid Meyers don"t have, in fact, an IA that can handle great maps with a lot of tiles...


Civ3 is perhaps dying. But for me Civ4 never born.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Yes why doesn't anyone else say it? 3-D graphics for strategy games in general obsolutely stink when compared to 2nd games. They are blocky, polygonian messes.

 

[grafix]

Thats tooo bad
and the fact that im not sure if i would buy civ4
cause im just using pentium2 with low tech hardware
and i guess civ4 requires a lot

 

[TopGun]

Let's not paint doom and gloom here... aren't we all here 'cause we share a common hobby? It's all for enjoyment and fun, right? As long as there are people enjoying modding for Civ 3 (and I think there always will be), things are well.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

I have no doubt that this community will still be here. But it will be practically a ghost board. New posts will occur every few days at the most. And new materal.... maybe once a month if we are lucky.

I want desparately to go to Civ4, but I will not until I know that I will be able to make units for it.

 

[Plotinus]

I think you're being a bit pessimistic, SoG... Civ3 won't end for as long as people play it. People still play Civ2. Civ4 is a different game. Some of us don't even have computers powerful enough to run it.

There's more to playing Civ3, even to modding it, than making new units. There are so many units, LHs, and the rest available on this site that anyone can start using them if they want. We've pretty much reached a saturation point where there's nothing left to make, really. If I were a unit maker I'd be pleased to have a new game to get started on (assuming they work out how to do it). In the meantime, there's lots of stuff here to get to grips with. And don't forget that Anno Domini is about to come out, bursting with new units and LHs (and I don't think that R8XFT has any plans to jump ship quite yet). After that, LOTM will finally be available before enormously long. I'm confident that whilst the supply of new units and things may dwindle, there will be plenty of scenarios and mods for a while yet. My own "Desert..." one will be out soon and after that I'm planning quite an overhaul of the "Rood...". You'll have noticed that there are several "preview" threads in this very forum that have appeared in the last few days - some from new posters - indicating that the fat lady is far from singing yet. She's still in the dressing room, filling up on pies.

 

[CaesarCardinale]

Well, I've already noticed a drastic change in the forums over the last couple of days. I've particularly noticed the less than enthusiastic response from the post of, as SOG mentioned, utah's last unit. I must say I'm not in the least surprised. Despite the discussion that went on a few months ago, where many speculated that Civ3 would live on for some time, I've been expecting this. As for myself, I am going to stick to Civ3. I've never been a fan of the rather cartoonish 3D graphics that Civ4 employs, and it seems to lack the mod-ability of Civ3, as well.

That being said, even with diehards like myself that will not change to Civ4, and even with the remaining unit creators dedicated to Civ3, I wonder how long it will be kept alive. What has kept me addicted (in a most unhealthy way) to Civ3 is its mod-ability and the vast amount of units available to mod with. I've created more detailed standard games, fantasy games, futuristic games, what-if scenario games (all for myself--none released), but with such a limited supply of new units to keep the game fresh, I wonder how long it will be before even I lose interest and move on to greener pastuers. I fear SOG may be right, Civ3 may very well in be in her final throes of death.

Farewell, Civ3

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

That makes me happy. I am just alittle worried that is all. I will probably be getting Civ4 eventually(once I get a new video card... ), but even if I do I will be on both ships for awile, until someone figures out how to add units to civ4. Weasal Ops also convinced me to try to help solve that problem as well.

 

[Bjornlo]

@SoG:
First off Civ3 is not dead. This sort of post is pure foolishness.
Moo3 came and failed, Moo2 still out sells it.
Civ4 is out, there is alot of excitement over the "new" thing. Alot of the regular posters are off looking at Civ4 and exploring the new 'toy', even if they have no intention of buying it. I'm a fan of and advocate for Civ3, but I bought Civ4 off a co-worker that hated it and wanted to go back to Civ3.
I played Civ2 for a very long time after Civ3 came out. I had both games, I just prefered Civ2. Later with enough patches and addons and community art I moved to Civ3. I suspect Civ4 will be the same. It has some essential features (core logic moddability, etc). But it has some bone head stupid design decisions. Attack/Defence/Hp gone and replaced with just Strength. Artty being completely broken and useless, and so on and on.. It got more wrong then right. Especially the fact that almost all of units makers current tool are not going to useable. And the new tool, the ONLY tool actually mentioned by the design team, is 3d Studio Max.. a program costing several thousand $.
Then there are the base graphics. The land, cities and water look better. The units are so large they look idiotic. I wish to they had paid attention to the scale of units in games like AOE. And if you look at them, you can tell they are the standard low-poly blocky crud so typically used in the 3d games.
The leaderheads look like 2yr olds, with their deformed over-large heads... The interface needs work too. There are better looking ones for Civ3.

Here is an interesting fact. The days since Civ4 came out have been amongst the highest download days for my creations yet. Over 1000 downloads per day instead of the normal 100-200.
http://civ3files.com/cgi-bin/Civ3Files.cgi?Page=ShowContributor&Contributor=100032
The total DL's jumped from just over 20,000 to well over 22,000. And I haven't released anything new in several days, so it is just people are still into Civ3. Even if they are curious about Civ4.
Don't worry about what game you will be playing in a year or two. Enjoy the game you are playing now.

@Plotinus: the fat lady & the pie line is pure poetry.

 

[beboy]

Mmmmhhh... I must admit I tought the same thing as SOG not so long ago. I only discovered this site by coincidence one month ago while searching more informations concerning the release of Civ4. So, I am pretty much what we can call a n00b! But at the same time, I realised all the possibilities of modding Civ3, possibilities far beyond what I had imagined! All those new units, graphics and mods, all the new possibilities... I cannot thank and congradulate enough all the creators who have participated to this forum!

Lately, I have glanced at Civ4 creation forums and here is the general impression that I got: Even though Civ4 will be moddable, and WILL be modded, it is never going to be as accessible, feasible and easy as Civ3 is. I personally consider myself as a computer incompetent, but even with the little knowledge and programs that I posess, I am able to mod Civ3 and bring my humble contribution with some creations.

If one day modding Civ4 graphically become accessible without the use of expensive programs, people may quit Civ3 modding definitively for Civ4 modding. But from what I have seen, it's not the case right now. As for myself, I intend to buy C3C (only have PTW!) in order to play all the wonderful mod availables and some to come (Anno domini, Final Fantasy, Star Trek...), and continue to buid my own scenarios. Then, maybe, I will consider playing Civ4... For now on, Civ3 rules!

 

[ShiroKobbure]

although I wish people would stop bringing up civ 4 and the end of civ 3 here
are you sure Aaglo, kinboat, and uthajazz are all gone?

 

[Ogedei_the_Mad]

I don't plan to "jump ship" just yet for a few reasons: 1) I don't plan on getting Civ4 too soon because when I start buying new games, I almost always end up going on an expensive buying spree that burns a hole in my wallet ; 2) There's still too little we know about Civ4's modding capabilites; 3) I have two mods planned for Civ3 and will not abandon months of work; and 4) It's likely that I won't be able to make ANY new city graphics for Civ4, city-graphics being all-important to me.

 

[Wyrmshadow]

Well Hootee Hoo

Does this mean that I just spent all day downloading a 2 Gig mod for a ww2 game to get at the models for nothing? Well I guess I should just quit now as everyone else is giving up the ghost. No use being king of the mountain when you're the only one on the mountain.

 

[Bjornlo]

a 2gb WW2 mod! Woah!
BF?

 

[egroen]

Civ IV is faulty... just as Civ III was. Patches need to come and it will be some time before full-blown mods come out for Civ IV. In the meantime, I am willing to bet Civ III *modded* will be better than anything Civ IV has to offer for at least a year (perhaps longer).

In the meantime, I will continue working with Civ III.

 

[Supa]

What a useful thread. Is it what ? The fourth ?

 

[The Last Conformist]

When CivIII is dead, it will be obvious to all, and nobody will need make a thread about it. For now, it's alive.

 

[Flamand]

If I keep seeing this kind of thread, I don't think I'm very motivated anymore to finish the Star Trek mod... It really start to sound like one of those 'The End is Near' kind of cults.

Even IF the end id near, why should that stop you from enjoying what is out there...?

 

[Virote_Considon]

You know, if people DID stop making units for Civ 3... It would make it easier for someone to make a new library XP

But seriously. Civ 3 is NOT dead. Every day since it's release, I have been looking at the total number of people in the CIV General discussion, and the CIII Creation and Customisation. And what have I seen? The Creation and Customisation has remained around the 70-90 people mark. The CIV General Discussion has dropped- 700+, 400+, 200+, less than 200!!!