The next defenders of religious freedom in America

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  1. mangxema

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    Fighting fire with fire. :mischief: From their website:

    Are they serious? Is this a good idea? What do you guys think?
     
  2. Timsup2nothin

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    Yes they are serious. I find their efforts commendable.
     
  3. Antilogic

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    That is some quality trolling, Satanists.

    (Also, good to see you, mang!)
     
  4. KMRblue1027

    KMRblue1027 The Crown!

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    Ah I love a good religious troll.
     
  5. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    I don't see it as a trolling, I see it as a religious group asking to be treated the same way other religious groups are.

    If we're going to allow for religious exceptions to things, we must consider them all, and not just the ones from one particular religion.

    People seem to think that satanists are just a bunch of jokers. Maybe some of them really believe all that stuff? Maybe they're bona fide satanists? Isn't it offensive to assume that they're not? Imagine if we were talking about Christians here and people assumed that they're not "for real".
     
  6. EgonSpengler

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    I haven't looked around their website. Is this an American organization? If it is, and if they're just trying to call out the influence of religious dogma on public policy, health care in this case, then good for them. If they're genuinely asking for accurate medical information on religious grounds, then I don't quite support them. Everyone should get accurate medical information, imo, religion be damned (pardon the pun).

    I do frequently wonder about that, actually.
     
  7. mangxema

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    The book in question is here.
     
  8. kramerfan86

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    I respect their mission and respect that they are a group that picked the most trolly name possible for the opponent they are facing.
     
  9. Borachio

    Borachio Way past lunacy

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    I think there's something irretrievably self-contradictory about Satanism. (Not that other religions aren't also contradictory, of course.)

    It's like a religion that doesn't even try to fool itself.
     
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    I like the book. But cerberus doesn't have 3 heads.
     
  11. IglooDude

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    Yeah, the FSM (Flying Spaghetti Monster, for the three people in OT that don't already know it) is kind of easily dismissible because everyone knows it is trolling. But Satanists are tougher, they've been around under various names for a long long time, and Christians are the first ones to assert that Satan does actually exist.
     
  12. Tahuti

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    The Church of Satan (I'm aware this one is distinct from the Satanic Temple mentioned in the OP) see Satan explicitly as a non-deity and identify as a non-religion. It is mostly a bunch of showmanship and hardly worshipping Satan as an actual deity or even a bona fide religion - even though they got religious tax exemption.

    Now, the Satanic Temple more seems to be troll directed for socially 'progressive' causes.
     
  13. classical_hero

    classical_hero In whom I trust

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    It is good to see them showing their true colours.
     
  14. Arakhor

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    CH, aren't you the one who likes to flash out the line about Satan's greatest deceit being to convince people he doesn't exist? How could this possibly be a greater deceit?
     
  15. gay_Aleks

    gay_Aleks communism will win.

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    If Satan was real, he'd enjoy a religion in his name constructed only and only for tax-evasion.
     
  16. Borachio

    Borachio Way past lunacy

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    But if Satan did exist, and was the personification of evil (let's say), why would any living person worship him/her/it?

    And if Satan didn't exist, why would any living person worship him/her/it?
     
  17. Farm Boy

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    In that good/evil as constructed roughly in the Judeo-Christian sense is the individual struggle between self interest and communal interest it isn't totally unreasonable to pick out a deity focused on self empowerment rather than communal health. One could even say that if only everyone acted in their own best interests then the interests of all would be better served. Sounds kinda like unfettered capitalism, really.
     
  18. Tahuti

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    For LaVeyan Satanists (i.e. Church of Satan, not Satanic Temple or theistic Satanist who worship Satan as a literal being) Satan represents the rejection of Christian values. They don't worship Satan, a LaVeyan Satanists worships herself/himself.

    I doubt it can called a bona fide religion, given that is explicitly designed to mock other faiths, notably Christianity and Islam. Likewise, Scientology is a pseudoreligion, since it simply seeks to explicitly define already existing religions as the result of an alien conspiracy (and make lots of money doing so).

    Christianity wasn't designed to mock Judaism, even if it ran counter to it at some points. René Guenon raised an interesting point that any self-declared religion that explicitly targeted another pre-existing religion was a pseudoreligion. Interestingly, he considered Buddhism to be a pseudoreligion as well because he considered it to be conceived as simple Anti-Hinduism, much like Satanism of any form can be viewed as simple Anti-Christianity (or inverse Christianity).
     
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    Or maybe that's just what they want you to think. Could it not be that they are attempting to take the whole "the greatest trick Satan performed was convincing the world he didn't exist" thing to the next level? An entire cult secretly worshiping Satan while denying that the object of their worship even exists?

    And that also brings up a good point. If they claim Satan does not exist and don't actually worship anything, then it's not really a religion. It's just a philosophy or creed.
     
  20. Timsup2nothin

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    Buddhists don't worship anything, and Buddhism is pretty widely considered to be a religion. Most Taoists don't worship the path, they just follow it. I'd say for the most part the whole 'religion=worshiping invisible Gods' business is a European/Mediterranean thing.
     

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