2020 US Election (Part 3)

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The dem party tends to more easily involve itself in foreign matters and at times declare war, so if that happens where do you think it will strike this time?
Why once again the same, tired targets like Syria, Iran, Libya. Why not something a bit to the north of Lebanon? ^_^

Already without Biden: at the current rate of currency weakening and inflation in Turkey, the Greek nominal GDP will in 3-4 years be higher than Turkey.
Erdogan has to tack course or face removal by the Turkish people.
 
If by multi-lateral you mean bringing the lapdog England along, ok :p

The Tories in the UK are already freaking out about Irish Joe Biden, and the Democrats hard stance on maintaining the Good Friday agreement. And I'm sure Boris Johnson saying this about Obama doesn't help matters.

“Some said it was a snub to Britain. Some said it was a symbol of the part-Kenyan President’s ancestral dislike of the British empire – of which Churchill had been such a fervent defender,” he wrote.
 
The Tories in the UK are already freaking out about Irish Joe Biden, and the Democrats hard stance on maintaining the Good Friday agreement. And I'm sure Boris Johnson saying this about Obama doesn't help matters.

Stories have two things going for them.

1. UK Labour is a hot mess.
2. Brexit is popular with a large % of the population.
3. Long electoral cycle. Covid could be over and done with by next election.
 
Stories have two things going for them.

1. UK Labour is a hot mess.
2. Brexit is popular with a large % of the population.
3. Long electoral cycle. Covid could be over and done with by next election.

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If that includes some years of austerity people will perhaps be reminded that income, wellfare and housing is more important for their lifes than having the best entertainer in Westminster.
 
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If that includes some years of austerity people will perhaps be reminded that income, wellfare and housing is more important for their lifes than having the best entertainer in Westminster.

Who knows.

Problem is a lot of these countries went into Covid already high in debt. As I understand it once go go much past 100% debt to gdp ratio bad things start to happen.
 
Already without Biden: at the current rate of currency weakening and inflation in Turkey, the Greek nominal GDP will in 3-4 years be higher than Turkey.
Erdogan has to tack course or face removal by the Turkish people.

The greek gdp is roughly half of what it was prior to Austerity... Greece used to be a top 24 world economy before Germany took over Europe.
 
Stories have two things going for them.

1. UK Labour is a hot mess.
2. Brexit is popular with a large % of the population.
3. Long electoral cycle. Covid could be over and done with by next election.

1. So are the Tories.
2. But only a bare majority, most just wish it was done with
3. Hopefully so, but its put a spoke in Bojo's plans. Hard to level up the country when you're facing the worst recession for a century
 
1. So are the Tories.
2. But only a bare majority, most just wish it was done with
3. Hopefully so, but its put a spoke in Bojo's plans. Hard to level up the country when you're facing the worst recession for a century

If both parties are a hot mess though that favors the incumbent government.
 
That's a handy way to take an entire group of people and lump them into an inferior position to yourself.

Only if you consider empathy important. You do not seem to so why fight it? The others on your side of this debate do not seem to, so again why fight it? From the "welfare queen" to lgbtq to BLM. Conservatives seem absolutely unable to put themselves in another's shoes and this seems to dictate their positions on social topics. From welfare to justice to immigration their take is "I'm not helping these people, they are not part of my group". I'm jsut calling it as I see it.
 
I don't love Trump, but I don't hate him, so I can be objective. You hate Trump, so I am unsure you are up to objectivity.
I am not objective but it excellent to have the womanizing, tax dodging, uncaring, lying, cheating, ignorant, racist, corrupt, greedy, narcissistic, and self-dealing egotist off the world stage. He is a bad person who has done bad things. In supporting Trump you have been supporting all of his worst qualities. What does that say about you?
 
You came into the discussion very aggressively. Not with your tone, but the content itself simply was. You suggested that a large part of the way Cloud feels like she does is on her. You lightly touched on another thing which is worth highlighting in a later post, "victim mentality".

Now, given your refusal to reveal anything about yourself (not that I disagree with the principle), you are not acting in any professional capacity. You have to therefore recognise that your comments will be treated as nothing more than opinion. It's a very common opinion, to opine on the suffering of others and believe you have a solution.

The problem is it doesn't matter if it's well-intentioned or not. If you're going to refuse to complement said opinions with anything of substance, it's going to wear thin fast. Victims are blamed for the things they suffer from a lot. It doesn't matter that your comments are purely on behaviour. Behaviour is affected by trauma and abuse. To say that victim is in charge of that is, honestly, laughable.

This is why you're getting the reaction you are. Not only is it not new to the people you're talking to, but you're offering nothing insightful to help clarify the rather generic advice you're giving out.

I've never claimed any professional capacity. Nor have I ever mentioned "victim mentality". Victim isn't to blame for what happened. But they can, if they want, control how much will that affect how they treat other people that had nothing to do with what happened. It's not easy, but doable.

If you learn to expect the worst, you'll see the worst in every situation. And in the end, all you'll do is to just spread **** around, and it will eventually land back on your face. You can recognize it and pull yourself back, give people the benefit of doubt, and everyone will be better off.
 
Only if you consider empathy important.
This is one of those regions where I found Haidt's thesis interesting. Liberals will value empathy more, but because they have a harder time actually understanding the values that the conservatives hold, a lot gets lost in the conversation. Most 'good' people value empathy, but it's the creation of mechanisms to enact that empathy that people fight over.

Honestly, this insight, plus CFC helping me figure out how fiat economics works differently from 'real goods' economics has helped a lot. We tend to see the more vocal and evil faces of our political opponents, but figuring out why two groups can agree on a problem but not agree on a solution (especially when those solutions don't benefit from compromises) goes a long way.
 
I've never claimed any professional capacity. Nor have I ever mentioned "victim mentality". Victim isn't to blame for what happened. But they can, if they want, control how much will that affect how they treat other people that had nothing to do with what happened. It's not easy, but doable.

If you learn to expect the worst, you'll see the worst in every situation. And in the end, all you'll do is to just spread **** around, and it will eventually land back on your face. You can recognize it and pull yourself back, give people the benefit of doubt, and everyone will be better off.
I said you "lightly touched" on the phrase victim mentality. Which you did. I took pains to ensure I wasn't misquoting you. Similarly, I didn't say you claimed professional capacity. That was me trying to explain to you the reaction(s) you're getting, based on your providing advice. This forum alone has enough of that advice. Genuinely, it's worn thin. Repeatedly. That's not on you, that's just context.

However, you're still putting the burden on the victim to see the world differently. It doesn't work like that. Not when people don't help. You're falling into the common trap of assuming "the worst" or the "****" (guessing there) is equally-applicable in all scenarios. It isn't. Someone instigating is instigating. Someone responding to that? Maybe they don't have to. But it's not the same as purposefully instigating. It might look the same, but that's why we have forum rules for various things. Someone can cause a scene, and someone can be in that scene, but only one is (arguably) culpable.

Same goes for giving people the benefit of the doubt. That's you wanting the benefit of the doubt, which is why you need to provide something contextual. You were asked, and you took the question in bad faith. The poster in bad faith. How's that for benefit of the doubt?

If it helps, I've been where you are now. It helps to be open. You can be open without disclosing a lot about yourself. But you can't be by just asking questions and giving very generic advice . . . while refusing to actually open up to the questions asked of you.
 
Latest puts Labour 5% ahead of the Tories. Bojo is making a mess of everything.

Lol yeah good news for Labour. Maybe not such a hot mess.

Can we call this the "Trump effect". Your leaders are so rubbish you win election by existing?
 
@Gorbles I'm surprised you didn't sternly and firmly chasten @Cloud_Strife for putting a bunch of posters into a "box," with a single statement, like she did here.

These people are so high on their own supply of "logic" and being detached from the actual experiences of minorities that they think they can distil it to "objectivity" or "logic" which is absolute bull when alot of the discrimination is based purely upon people's emotive dislike of those that are different.

You, know, the same criticism for putting posters into generic "boxes," to attack you criticized me for last night. Where are your principals, @Gorbles?
 
Lol yeah good news for Labour. Maybe not such a hot mess.

Can we call this the "Trump effect". Your leaders are so rubbish you win election by existing?

Perhaps. Starmer seems to be taking the Biden approach.
Boring, competent, middle-of-the-road.
 
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