2020 US Election (Part 3)

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*wipes away a tear* thank u for your service

But, as I say to strict partisans like you, and others, "yours is not to question why, yours is to tow the line, to condemn the other side for all they say, and of the sins of your own, look the other way."
 
I'm totally cool with being a partisan. You know those things that spawn when the enemy has conquered a city, which actually can help retake the city.

On the other hand, Patine-san's samey tirades are as useful a tool as a wet noodle.

trump is still a fascist, an incompetent one, but a fascist nonetheless
Your insistence on using old, obsolete labels for modern movements in new contexts is a form of toxic nostalgia. Toxic nostalgia is a centre pillar of EVERY far-right-wing movement out there, whether they be old Fascists, or others (the non-Fascists in the great majority of that grouping - your obstenant denial of facts and reality changing nothing), as well.

OK, so Trump is a crypto-fascist.
 
“We have all the evidence," Trump asserted. “All we need is to have some judge listen to it properly without having a political opinion.”
See guys, it's not that the evidence doesn't add up. It's those damn judges and their political opinion.

Especially that judge in federal court in Pennsylvania who said: "“This Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence. In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state. Our people, laws, and institutions demand more.”

“This claim, like Frankenstein’s Monster, has been haphazardly stitched together from two distinct theories in an attempt to avoid controlling precedent."

“Even assuming that they can establish that their right to vote has been denied, which they cannot, Plaintiffs seek to remedy the denial of their votes by invalidating the votes of millions of others. Rather than requesting that their votes be counted, they seek to discredit scores of other votes, but only for one race. This is simply not how the Constitution works.”

Pss, he and his political conservative Republican opinions.

edit: yesterday I agreed with Tucker Carlson and Donald trump Jr, today I am agreeing with a conservative Republican judge.

I'm like totally partisan, in fact I'm bi-partisan! I partisan here, and I partisan there.
 
In this case, it wasn’t just “dulled”, it took precedence. Low-hanging gotcha fruit to overlook an ugly truth about a career politician who’s in the correct political party.
No, it's just that you don't like fact-checkers apparently checking false claims made by the (outgoing) POTUS. It's actually kinda the reverse of what you're attempting to describe - you're letting your political enmity for Pelosi obscure a very normal example of fact-checking an obvious falsehood.
 
We're debating if it should be entirely blamed on Trump, not Democrats. The Chinatown comment shows others share the blame, not because her invitation was a super spreader event but because it embodies how both parties - at the behest of the medical community - were downplaying the situation.

In late February, inappropriate panic would have done more damage than the virus.

It's like you weren't living it in real time. Do you remember when the zeitgeist realized that masks were going to help prevent asymptomatic people from spreading the disease faster? That's when the comments about masks changed. And there's a decided partisan predictor about whether people even understood.

I bought handmade masks early May. I don't remember the zeitgeist, specifically, but clearly I was responding.

In Trump calendar, this was the "hydroxychloroquine" era
 
I see you're active, @El_Machinae. I responded in good faith to your populist question, with a couple follow-up posts to boot. Do I at least get the dignity of a response?
 
In this case, it wasn’t just “dulled”, it took precedence. Low-hanging gotcha fruit to overlook an ugly truth about a career politician who’s in the correct political party.

Who included the falsehood? Also, some website devoted to catching verifiable lies isn't really responsible for looking for 'deeper truths'.

He lied. It damaged his point.

He lied all the time. It damaged his points. All the time.
 
The difficult problem that Biden has today is what to do with the record of Trump's diplomacy:

Biden to face test over access to sensitive information as he inherits Trump's secret server

President-elect Joe Biden and his team will soon have to decide whether to share transcripts of presidential calls with foreign leaders to a broad, security clearance-holding audience, or maintain a lockdown on official transcripts of the calls and other highly sensitive information imposed by the Trump administration over concerns they might be leaked.
Back-to-back leaks of controversial remarks made by Trump during calls with leaders of Mexico and Australia in the early days of the Trump White House resulted from an unusually loose record-distribution policy, several officials tell CNN, prompting officials to eventually resort to the use of a secret server to store records of calls involving leaders of Saudi Arabia, Russia and Ukraine.
 
It's not fair that even reality and facts have a liberal bias :(

As all things that the Trumpees don't agree with are lumped into the Mainstream Media pile, reality and facts are a part of Lamestream Media.

Which leave only lies and fairy tales for the Real Media. It really isn't fair to Trumpees :(
 
Queue the inevitable point that empirical facts are based on reality and of course it turns out reality has a left wing bias and do not care about your feelings.

But sure keep on disconnecting yourself from reality further, it won't be our undoing or anything. . .

Poll: Half Of Trump Supporters Believe Baseless Child Sex-Trafficking QAnon Claims (forbes.com)

"Reality," - if it's actually "reality," - does not have a "bias," on the Political Spectrum, either way. Only the Ministry of Truth would sincerely disagree...
 
"Reality," - if it's actually "reality," - does not have a "bias," on the Political Spectrum, either way. Only the Ministry of Truth would sincerely disagree...
This is meant in the sense of "On issue A, the left says X, the right says Y, reality says X more frequently than Y". This works for A =:
  • Climate change
  • The efficiency of public healthcare
I cannot think of equivalent points where the converse is true.
 
This is meant in the sense of "On issue A, the left says X, the right says Y, reality says X more frequently than Y". This works for A =:
  • Climate change
  • The efficiency of public healthcare
I cannot think of equivalent points where the converse is true.

There are right-wing parties and politicians who take climate change seriously (like some in Europe, and some of the candidates in the 2017 and 2020 Conservative Party of Canada Leadership Race, among others, including some otherwise Conservative Plutocrats out there), and there are left-wing parties and politicians who are antagonistic to any solutions (the Communist Party of China comes to mind).
 
There are right-wing parties and politicians who take climate change seriously (like some in Europe, and some of the candidates in the 2017 and 2020 Conservative Party of Canada Leadership Race, among others, including some otherwise Conservative Plutocrats out there), and there are left-wing parties and politicians who are antagonistic to any solutions (the Communist Party of China comes to mind).
Yeah, very true. That is why I said "reality says X more frequently than Y" rather than always.
 
Yeah, very true. That is why I said "reality says X more frequently than Y" rather than always.

Also, it depends what aspect of each wing of the spectrum you focus on. Libertarianism, Classical Liberalism, and Constitutional Conservatism (and, even, to a degree, Plutocracy) are VERY different in Right-Wing Approaches to many things than Absolute or Feudal Monarchialism, Theocracy or Theonymy (regardless of which claimed religion), and various shades of new Right-Wing Authoritarian Movements (including, but only in minority, and significantly historically, Fascism), as is, on the Left-Wing Approaches, Neo-Liberalism, Modern Progressivism, the New Left, Social Democracy, and Green Politics are very different that Communism (of numerous camps), Hard Socialism (of numerous schools), and a few other scary political proposals and experiments (like the Khmer Rouge). The fact is, though casually and even thoughtlessly spoken as though any sort of remotely unified bloc existed AT ALL, the Left-Wing and the Right-Wing of the political spectrum are EXTREMELY diverse in viewpoint and ideas each, and neither has, nor can possibly have, a "whole-wing-solidarity." Plus, the idea of "reality favouring one wing over another," is also nonsense because reality is about statements and fact of what is, but socio-political ideologies are about proposed solutions and ways to deal with problems created by these facts. The very nature of what reality is and what socio-political ideologies are not at all compatible in how they interact with anything...
 
Trump’s legacy, by the numbers

WaPo said:
As covid-19 hospitalizations hit another new high on Tuesday, President Trump called a news conference to boast about a different record: the stock market.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average, he crowed, had just pierced 30,000. “That’s a sacred number, 30,000,” he said.


It was a bizarre statement even for Trump. After all, Trump has argued for years that any stock market gains that occur after a presidential election should be credited to the new president-elect, not the guy on his way out the door. In reality, neither presidents nor presidents-elect control stock markets, of course; but even if Trump did unilaterally control equity prices, and even if he had done so for the entire duration of his presidency, his record would still pale in comparison with his predecessor’s.


More important, 30,000 hardly seems like a “sacred number" — or a particularly significant one, in the context of this administration’s overall record. Here is a compendium of more memorable metrics that should forever be linked with the Trump legacy:

261,000 (and growing): If anything is “sacred,” it is human life. This number is the minimum tally of U.S. lives lost to the novel coronavirus as of Wednesday night. By the time Trump leaves office it will be higher. Even by Thanksgiving morning, it will be higher.

$750: The amount Trump reportedly paid in federal income taxes the year he won the presidency. He paid the same amount his first year in the White House, too.

14.7 percent: The unemployment rate in April 2020. Also the highest unemployment rate on record since modern statistics on joblessness began in 1948 and likely the highest rate since the Great Depression.

$421 million: The amount of loans and other debts for which Trump is personally responsible, with most of it reportedly coming due within four years — that is, a period when Trump had hoped to serve his second presidential term.

100.1 percent: Federal debt held by the public as a share of gross domestic product, in the fiscal year that recently ended, according to the Congressional Budget Office. The last time this measure exceeded 100 percent was just after World War II.

$1.9 trillion: The 10-year cost of Trump’s 2017 tax cut. (This is “dynamic” cost — that is, it accounts for the effects of economic growth.) This contributes to the debt number above.

$130,000: The amount Trump paid an adult-film actress with whom he had an affair; this bought her silence ahead of the 2016 election.

26: The number of women who have publicly accused Trump of sexual misconduct.

26 million: The number of American adults who reported that their household didn’t have enough to eat just ahead of Election Day.

Eight: The number of Trump associates to date charged with or convicted of criminal offenses. The former aides and advisers are: onetime 2016 campaign chairman Paul Manafort; 2016 deputy campaign chair Rick Gates; former national security adviser Michael Flynn, whom Trump pardoned Wednesday; foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos; informal Trump foreign policy adviser George Nader; political adviser Roger Stone; personal attorney Michael Cohen; and strategist Stephen K. Bannon.

666: The number of separated migrant children whose parents still have not been found, because the Trump administration didn’t keep sufficient records.

23,035: The number of false or misleading claims Trump had made as of mid-September, according to the Washington Post Fact Checker team. Presumably that number will continue to grow during Trump’s final weeks in office.

$3: The amount that Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club charged taxpayers for a glass of water served to Trump.

289: The number of times Trump visited a golf course while president. So far.

15: The number of times that people have to flush their toilet, according to Trump. (Why he made this claim on the campaign trail I do not know.)

One: The number of viewers Trump officials sought to reach during their TV appearances (the infamous “audience of one”).

49 percent: The peak share of Americans who said they approved of Trump’s performance as president, according to Gallup.

306: The number of electoral college votes Trump won in 2016, which he called a “landslide.”

306: The number of electoral college votes Joe Biden won in 2020.
 
Trump’s legacy, by the numbers

"The King and is his Land are still one, and the ailing of the Land, and who suffer within, can only be upon the brow alone that wears the Crown, for he has failed his Divine Investiture."

Still hung up on that Medieval thinking that the head-of-state bears sole and complete blame for all failure and death in his tenure (and will that thinking be carried onto Biden)? If you, and so many others, think such Medieval thinking is appropriate or timely, why are we facing COVID-19 and NOT the Black Death?
 

You completely missed my point entirely and got hung up on the semantics of one small part of and my mockery of the Medieval Kingship trope and the mentality behind it I was criticizing in the glaring flaws of head-of-state levels of PERSONAL responsibility in the modern day and age.

Also, I'm not clicking those links to disgusting cults of sin and blasphemy lead by wolves in sheep's clothing who deliberately stain and pervert the name of Christ's Ministry. They too are a mockery - a mockery of the Christian faith. They may have dug up some dusty pagan god of greed, lies, raiding, and revelry to appoint Trump President, but it wasn't the Father of Christ who did so.
 
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