2020 US Election (Part 3)

[Hrothbern]

I'm not. Power of the people isn't a uniquely Communist ideal, you'll be surprised to learn. Pericles, the creator of the Ancient Athenian Democracy came up with it first. In fact, "power of the people," is the rough translation from Koine Greek of the word, "Democracy."

The Soviet structure of soviets was copied from the Radenstructuur (council structure) of the protestant churches in NW Europe

 

[Zardnaar]

Significant and meaningful reform and mass trials of criminals in a single sovereign nation is IMMENSELY easier to accomplish, relatively speaking, than world peace. The former actually has been accomplished quite a few times in history, the latter, never to date.

Only by victorious nation's in war.

Not an option these days.

 

[Hrothbern]

The limo's are arriving

 

[Patine]

Only by victorious nation's in war.

Not an option these days.

Or internal revolution, including non-violent ones, like the end of Communist Rule in the Warsaw Pact (and Mongolia), the Carnation, Rose, and Tulip Revolutions, and three countries affected by the Arab Spring, which are an option these days - by a population that gives a damn!

The Soviet structure of soviets was copied from the Radenstructuur (council structure) of the protestant churches in NW Europe

I quoted Pericles as the first recorded innovator of any sort of governance of that sort. The spread of such ideas, and the morphing and reinvention, and differing ways to work it, I acknowledge, is much more nuanced and complicated of a history.

 

[cardgame]

I'm not. Power of the people isn't a uniquely Communist ideal, you'll be surprised to learn. Pericles, the creator of the Ancient Athenian Democracy came up with it first. In fact, "power of the people," is the rough translation from Koine Greek of the word, "Democracy."

Communism is compatible with democracy. Perhaps more compatible than the current democracy is, if you want to tear it all down.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

NBC reporting unnamed sources say that Trump has privately acknowledged he's lost but vowed to fight on.

 

[Patine]

Communism is compatible with democracy. Perhaps more compatible than the current democracy is, if you want to tear it all down.

Any form of government not built around a dictator, a hegemony, a theocracy, a state of vassalage, or a monarchy who exercises real power, and doesn't hold a symbolic role, is theoretically compatible with democracy.

 

[Zardnaar]

Or internal revolution, including non-violent ones, like the end of Communist Rule in the Warsaw Pact (and Mongolia), the Carnation, Rose, and Tulip Revolutions, and three countries affected by the Arab Spring, which are an option these days - by a population that gives a damn!



I quoted Pericles as the first recorded innovator of any sort of governance of that sort. The spread of such ideas, and the morphing and reinvention, and differing ways to work it, I acknowledge, is much more nuanced and complicated of a history.

USA contrary to popular belief isn't that corrupt or oppressive to sweep the government's from power.

 

[Zardnaar]

Any form of government not built around a dictator, a hegemony, a theocracy, a state of vassalage, or a monarchy who exercises real power, and doesn't hold a symbolic role, is theoretically compatible with democracy.

Depends if the Communists leave once voted out.

It has happened though. Moldova, not sure if they have got to rule anywhere else via ballot box. As the largest party not coalition as smaller party.

 

[lymond]

I never ever ever ever watch FoxNews, but I've popped in now and then the last couple of days. It's so bizarre it's comical. I'm watching this Ingraham chick right now and she's a real piece of work. Her and her guest pundits removal from reality is just shocking. All they do is reiterate the lies Trump's already thrown out there about the vote. While one pundit is currently calling Trump the best president in the last 100 years.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Hes walking on stage.

 

[Drakle]

To be honest, It's already giving me 'Nam flashbacks of "Gamergate with images of SJWs screaming at the top of their lungs "Check your privilege". Not to mention the confusion and frustration I have because I'm not loaded up with cash like a millionaire or billionaire, part of the rich elite, nor have a mansion, because I consider those to be privilege. I certainly don't feel privileged if I'm still working in retail trying to find a better job (I live in a blue state if that's any indication).

There it is. The perfect encapsulation of the GamerGate Propaganda model.

You aren't at all well off. Nothing the GOP does helps you, and a lot harms you. Their one major legislation was a tax bill where at best you saw the slightest crumbs while rich people took home billions. Their refusal to raise the minimum wage doesn't help at all. They appoint plutocratic judges who rule that Corporations can stomp all over their workers. They do nothing to actually tackle climate change, reform the constricted supply of housing, reduce cost of living, enact stimulus, fix America's broken Infrastructure, etc.

But the propaganda convinced you to make vague cultural issues a obsessive interest, and turn it into politics.

How would you have known about GamerGate, if you hadn't seen it on Reddit/other forums and watched YouTube videos? You never would have seen it. So it really isn't that big an issue. Idiots will always be spouting off about stuff and critics of all media are constantly in bed with the producers of said media. It isn't an SJW conspiracy, it is just basic corporate backscratching. There are always thousands of games, and some will be bad, and some will be good.

Your stated concerns are utterly baseless. Democrats aren't rounding up white people, straight people or men. Their leadership is nearly all one of those, and so are their voters. A majority of Democratic votes comes from white people. And Democrats don't run on cultural issues. Biden was talking about economics and running ads about economics, and Donald Trump being bad for people.

But the right-wing propagandists construct an alternative reality where all this is happening, and endless cultural war positions. So War on Christmas, GamerGate, SJW, Campus Liberals, War on religion, Blue Lives Matter, etc. Biden instead of being an old white guy, he is secretly an ANTIFA Shock troop. Nothing in that is about helping you. It doesn't even solve the cultural issues, because right-wing propaganda screaming about the issues, isn't going to make some lefties from making media, or talking in woke language. And the propagandists need to keep making new videos to make money. Meaning you are just going to be stressed over culture war, forever.

 

[Patine]

USA contrary to popular belief isn't that corrupt or oppressive to sweep the government's from power.

It's corruption and level of oppression are higher than reported. The problem is, both Human Rights Watch and Freedom House, two of the biggest compilers of lists of these kinds of stats on countries, have American chairmen and are based in the U.S., and their bias leads them to never give the U.S. quite the ratings it deserves on these lists.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Biden sounds like a President. Forgot what that was like

 

[Hrothbern]

Or internal revolution, including non-violent ones, like the end of Communist Rule in the Warsaw Pact (and Mongolia), the Carnation, Rose, and Tulip Revolutions, and three countries affected by the Arab Spring, which are an option these days - by a population that gives a damn!



I quoted Pericles as the first recorded innovator of any sort of governance of that sort. The spread of such ideas, and the morphing and reinvention, and differing ways to work it, I acknowledge, is much more nuanced and complicated of a history.

IDK whether you know about the Liege experiment. It was governed by a council of thirty guilds and so succesful that it spread out rapidly through the neighboring areas of the HRE and the Low Lands. Interesting read. Later on in time it was one of the first areas that had full male suffrage.
Philip the Good benefitted mightily from giving towns generously more self determination.
His son Charles the Bold did fall back on more absolutist style, crushed Liege to the last stone, but happily enough, before crushing the rest of that bourgeois democracy of the Low Lands got himself killed in too much military ambition.
His daughter Maria gave all the rights back again and that type of bottom up thinking survived until Charles V who again started destroying rights from a centralist point of view. His son introduced the whip on top.
The resistance and revolt was almost fully in that council structure of the churches and the council structures of the towns guilds.

 

[Zardnaar]

It's corruption and level of oppression are higher than reported. The problem is, both Human Rights Watch and Freedom House, two of the biggest compilers of lists of these kinds of stats on countries, have American chairmen and are based in the U.S., and their bias leads them to never give the U.S. quite the ratings it deserves on these lists.

US has issued but yeah you need to have a look at some of those nation's.

US has Gary but imagine that nation wide.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Good speech. Glad I watched it.

 

[lymond]

Definitely a far far different message than Trump has ever given to the American people.

 

[Patine]

US has issued but yeah you need to have a look at some of those nation's.

US has Gary but imagine that nation wide.

Sorry, Gary? Is that Kiwi slang?

 

[Farm Boy]

You leave poor east south Chicago alone.