2020 US Election (Part 3)

[Samson]

COVID-19 testing is mostly garbage.

Hospitalisations are not garbage data.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

How are those relaxed covid rules working for them GOP states?

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/17/us/coronavirus-midwest-northern-governors/index.html

Oh dear oh dear. Oh well,good thing people are dying from "just the flu". And I'm sure that's true, I got it from a guy who works in clinical research.

 

[BCheek]

Hospitalisations are not garbage data.

Perhaps if the data was collected consistently and not coming from Vox who wouldn't have the first clue what any of it meant, or if it was even valid data, I might take it more seriously. Unfortunately their data is a sad joke and so is their coverage of it.

 

[aelf]

COVID-19 testing is mostly garbage.

Dog poop calling a slightly damaged toaster garbage.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Like how can anyone believe this nonsense from trump's team? How can you be so dense to fall for this garbage? These people are liars, grifters, shysters. Literal cartoon villains

 

[Zardnaar]

Since Covid older people more you would think the GoP would care more since it's their primary voter base.

Ultimately it's reducing their votes for 2024 and beyond.

 

[Samson]

Perhaps if the data was collected consistently and not coming from Vox who wouldn't have the first clue what any of it meant, or if it was even valid data, I might take it more seriously. Unfortunately their data is a sad joke and so is their coverage of it.

They reference the source in the image, this data is all out there and noone is making charts they cannot back up:

 

[BCheek]

You can post whatever you want. It doesn't mean you understand what it is you're looking at.

Reported cases of the common flu have gone down, while reported cases of COVID-19 have gone up. It's the beginning of flu season. Are cases of the common flu being inappropriately attributed to COVID-19 due to deficiencies in testing, data collection, and lack of standard reporting? Most likely.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

You can post whatever you want. It doesn't mean you understand what it is you're looking at.

This is true, for example I've understood nearly none of your posts

 

[Birdjaguar]

You can post whatever you want. It doesn't mean you understand what it is you're looking at.

Reported cases of the common flu have gone down, while reported cases of COVID-19 have gone up. It's the beginning of flu season. Are cases of the common flu being inappropriately attributed to COVID-19 due to deficiencies in testing, data collection, and lack of standard reporting? Most likely.

You can post whatever you want. It doesn't mean you are correct or even understand what it is saying.

 

[Grisu]

COVID-19 testing is mostly garbage. Most places they are unable or unwilling to test for the strain. Corona virus is in the same RNA virus family as the common flu. This is why they're only suppose to test you if you exhibit very specific symptoms.

You could very well be asymptomatic, go get tested, have it show up as COVID-19 positive, but it's the common flu and not what came out of Wuhan.

Of course the media is ignorant, or willfully ignorant of this.

How can after more than half a year of this pandemic people still be so hopelessly ignorant about the (not existing) relation between COVID-19 and the flu? And that the tests are highly specific and won't pick up other corona-virus variants?

 

[Zardnaar]

How can after more than half a year of this pandemic people still be so hopelessly ignorant about the (not existing) relation between COVID-19 and the flu? And that the tests are highly specific and won't pick up other corona-virus variants?

Fair and balanced.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

How can after more than half a year of this pandemic people still be so hopelessly ignorant about the (not existing) relation between COVID-19 and the flu? And that the tests are highly specific and won't pick up other corona-virus variants?

It's called willful ignorance

 

[Hrothbern]

How can after more than half a year of this pandemic people still be so hopelessly ignorant about the (not existing) relation between COVID-19 and the flu? And that the tests are highly specific and won't pick up other corona-virus variants?

Here the leader of the Dutch populist right political party FvD on opinions and facts:

Thierry Baudet, leader of the controversial Forum for Democracy, sees no distinction between opinions and facts. That is, when it comes to his own opinions. He says that in a long interview with HP / De Tijd.

“Aren't my opinions just facts? I am right and others are wrong. ”
- You think opinions are facts?
“My opinions, yes. Those of others are false facts. ”
The man who calls himself "the most important intellectual in the Netherlands" does not understand that he is not immediately appointed professor by special appointment:

"It is absurd that no universities are asking me to become an endowed professor. That really makes no sense at all. I am one of the most brilliant thinkers in the Netherlands. At least from my generation. I should just be able to teach political philosophy, somewhere.

https://joop.bnnvara.nl/kijk-nou/thierry-baudet-begrijpt-verschil-niet-tussen-mening-en-feit

 

[Samson]

You can post whatever you want. It doesn't mean you understand what it is you're looking at.

Reported cases of the common flu have gone down, while reported cases of COVID-19 have gone up. It's the beginning of flu season. Are cases of the common flu being inappropriately attributed to COVID-19 due to deficiencies in testing, data collection, and lack of standard reporting? Most likely.

If that is what is happening, and the people in hospital with respiratory distress follows the curve shown, that does not actually change what we should be doing in the short term. It certainly does not mean it was a good idea for people to be standing in line and voting booths when they could have voted without that.

 

[El_Machinae]

No, everyone knew it was going to be essential to expand mail-in voting. That's why everywhere did so.

As I said, April. ("Very strong light, inside the body")

https://www.fox6now.com/news/wiscon...than-1m-absentee-ballots-for-april-7-election

Wisconsin voters request more than 1M absentee ballots for April 7 election

COVID-19 testing is mostly garbage. Most places they are unable or unwilling to test for the strain. Corona virus is in the same RNA virus family as the common flu. This is why they're only suppose to test you if you exhibit very specific symptoms.

Link. Show me where the commercial PCR kits are including primers that are not using SNPs unique to a specific viral strain

 

[Grisu]

In the same category, a vague acquaintance recently told me and others not to get the flu vaccine because it could make us show up poisitve on a corona test

Here the leader of the Dutch populist right political party FvD on opinions and facts:

that guy sounds like a dutch relavtive of the POTUS. Ruud van der Trumperen or something

What's the word Colbert used? Truthiness, or something.

 

[onejayhawk]

I completely agree! The location was uncertain and awaited. After a long time of very good track records of zeppelin safety, suddenly it happened to a Nazi zeppelin, with footage only being caught far after the initial fire. It's pretty much indicative of US fighters shooting it down in the interesting of curtailing German industry, and sadly it's one of those things that's very hard to get proof of when it wasn't filmed. But we'll get there J. I promise we'll get them into court

It appears you will get your wish.

Not given the pre-election fervor over voting and the four years of constant discord across the country. Having more people on both sides decide this election was important enough to make the effort to vote is not surprising at all. Mail in voting also added to the ease with which people could vote. To not have such a surge would mean that all those campaign dollars spent to rile up the voters had gone to waste. Statistics have nothing to do with this. They are a backward looking tool (like accounting) that one can use to account for changes. Campaign rhetoric and spending are forward looking tools that try to drive change. They worked well this year to spark increased turnout.

Which is why it is an indicator, not proof.

Regardless, I am hearing that Limbaugh claims the Trump vote broke the system. The logic goes that the computer counting software used in 33 states was carefully loaded to give Biden a winning edge, but that the Trump vote overwhelmed the parameters, so they had to stop the counting and fabricate physical ballots. They are taking this theory to court. We'll see how it goes.

J

 

[BCheek]

How can after more than half a year of this pandemic people still be so hopelessly ignorant about the (not existing) relation between COVID-19 and the flu? And that the tests are highly specific and won't pick up other corona-virus variants?

Do you know even know what SARS-CoV-2 is and what it's made up of? If you did you'd understand how silly your statement is.

If that is what is happening, and the people in hospital with respiratory distress follows the curve shown, that does not actually change what we should be doing in the short term.

First the chart doesn't identify any cases of respiratory distress.

Second testing positive for COVID-19 =/= you have respiratory distress (whatever your definition of that is suppose to mean).

Third it absolutely does change what we ought to be doing

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Regardless, I am hearing that Limbaugh claims the Trump vote broke the system. The logic goes that the computer counting software used in 33 states was carefully loaded to give Biden a winning edge, but that the Trump vote overwhelmed the parameters, so they had to stop the counting and fabricate physical ballots. They are taking this theory to court. We'll see how it goes.

And you believe this?