How to get a job (or not)

I got the call today, and it was on time. The guy just sounded like he was bored and tired of his job. Well, I guess I can't blame him.

Anyway, it did turn out to be just a pre-screening thing. I know some big companies may only hold phone interviews for temporary roles, so I'd suspected that this was going to be the main thing.
 
You are in the right Aelf . Don't let your own standards of professionalism be tainted by the lack of in others , and certainly don't let it get you down . On the contrary , it is indicative of how common poor business practice is , and an encouraging indication of the potential for success just by being a bit better than your often lackluster competition .
 
Was supposed to have a phone interview today with a recruiter from a big consultancy firm. The recruiter didn't call. I left a message on his voicemail 30 minutes later. I called again an hour after the appointed time and he picked up, duly and unapologetically informed me that he was in a meeting and promptly asked to reschedule the interview to tomorrow at a later time slot.

You got a lot of responses so far, but I'd also echo that this is kind of rare behavior; I've had many phone interviews while job hunting---at worse they'd be 5 minutes late or send me a reschedule email 20 minutes before the interview. On the other hand, It's kind of understandable that things can get rescheduled fast in a dynamic organization.
 
... and it has nothing to do with formatting.

A good CV, really means a good career history. If I saw 2 CVs with identical skill sets, yet one had a 10 year career with 10 different employers and another had a 10 year career with 3-4 employers with a couple years in each, I would chose the later. Because he has shown commitment to the job. Generally an employee reaches their peak after about 6 months in the company (i.e. understanding the process, culture, and systems, etc.), so you want to get some good productivity out of them. Those that leave after 6 months because they get bored or whatever, do not interest me, regardless of their explanations for their 10 employer track record.
 
... and it has nothing to do with formatting.

A good CV, really means a good career history. If I saw 2 CVs with identical skill sets, yet one had a 10 year career with 10 different employers and another had a 10 year career with 3-4 employers with a couple years in each, I would chose the later. Because he has shown commitment to the job. Generally an employee reaches their peak after about 6 months in the company (i.e. understanding the process, culture, and systems, etc.), so you want to get some good productivity out of them. Those that leave after 6 months because they get bored or whatever, do not interest me, regardless of their explanations for their 10 employer track record.

I think this attitude is starting to change, at least with workers 20-33 right now. I had a corporate training a few weeks ago where we were told that workers in this generation stayed in a job for about a year, and would have an average of 9 jobs from 21-35.

While the whole "getting bored" thing was certainly part of it, the biggest reason is that workers of this generation have internalized the idea of their company not having any loyalty towards them...and quite frankly, that is pretty accurate. If you enter the workforce underemployed, and knowing you could be replaced at any time, you learn to "hustle", and that means changing jobs.

Eventually, if you need a younger worker, finding somebody who hasn't job hopped will become harder and harder. It's a free agent workforce now!
 
In addition to that, the only realistic way of getting a meaningful promotion or pay-rise is by leaving the company you currently work for and getting a new job elsewhere. In the old days, the expectation was that you got a decent pay rise every year, and a promotion "from within" every few years. There was an obvious and well established career path within every company, and entry-level staff who proved their mettle could expect to be promoted in due course. That doesn't happen anymore. If you want to move "up", you have to move "out".
 
Yeah, Wharton actually just published a study about that (it was on TIME online's website, I'll see if I saved it), which showed that outside hires make about 20% more than internal promoted hires, and that the general trend has been away from internal hiring over the last decade.

The reason is that managers are increasingly bad at predicting who would be good at a certain job, and that increased specialization has made internal job shifting a little harder. If you can't tell who among your current guys can do the next gig, it's easier to "find" somebody, using education or experience, as a predictor.

The outside guys tend to have lower performance over their first 2 years on the job though. The more I work in this industry, the more amazed I am over all the inefficiencies in assigning compensation and rewards, even with some successful organizations.
 
Regarding the most recent discussion, I see both sides of the coin. As an employer, I don't give a second glance to applicants who change jobs often. Three jobs in 12 months just shows me that I'd be wasting my time & money training that person & also that they likely don't have a teamwork mentality. I suggest staying in a job for two years at least, no matter how miserable you are, because it will help you in the job market down the road.

On the other hand, allot of employers are giving annual raises that are well below the inflation rate. In effect, the longer you work there, the less you make unless you get promoted. They are actually paying their employees to leave which doesn't make much sense given the time & money invested in them. They are also promoting a business culture where people are hovering like vultures waiting for those above them on the ladder to screw up, retire or die. Getting your boss in trouble is a way to stay with that employer & keep your salary above the inflation rate. Very, very bad business. You don't want to try to spend an entire career at an employer like that, but, like I said above, stay at least a couple of years so you don't hurt your resume.

I hired two people this week. I found that most of the people who called me asking if I was hiring never actually applied. Of those applications I received, about 90% of them were not attractive enough to interview for different reasons. I weeded out the apps that had criminal history, limited availability, little employment history, multiple employers in a short time frame, unexplained gaps, high school drop-outs. I invited seven people to be interviewed:

1. Had applied with a local address, but was in fact living out of town going to college.
2. Didn't show up to the interview.
3. Was 8 months pregnant.
4. Had 3 employers over the last 20 years, all of whom loved her, had promoted her & wished they could have her back. Had an open availability. Was a widow with grown children & lived nearby. I hired her.
5. Was engaged to be married with a set wedding date. Left his last employer for a better job only to have that new job say they didn't have a spot for him when he showed up on the 1st day. Strong references, highly motivated, stable personal life, customer service work history. I hired him.
6. Strong educational background, but little work experience. Had the personality of a door knob.
7. Looking for a 2nd job. Very successful at current job. Obvious team player & strong customer service skills. Showed up to the interview dressed professionally, but with his shirt untucked. A little too heavy on the street slang-he called me "man" a few times during the interview. I'm on the fence with him. He'd probably be a good addition to my team, but might represent my business & I in a less than professional manner.
 
While the whole "getting bored" thing was certainly part of it, the biggest reason is that workers of this generation have internalized the idea of their company not having any loyalty towards them...and quite frankly, that is pretty accurate. If you enter the workforce underemployed, and knowing you could be replaced at any time, you learn to "hustle", and that means changing jobs.
Wouldn't that, depending on the job you're trying to fill, mean that a diverse job history might be good?
If you're looking for initiative, and willingness to change and develop, you'd think you'd want someone who knows how to "hustle."
 
I suggest staying in a job for two years at least, no matter how miserable you are, because it will help you in the job market down the road.

Do you suggest turning down any job offers that are for less than two-year contracts?

I weeded out the apps that had criminal history, limited availability, little employment history, multiple employers in a short time frame, unexplained gaps, high school drop-outs.

I'm iffy on the unexplained gaps - I've got some gaps on my resume, where I was doing awesome stuff that I'll happily elaborate on in an interview, but which aren't necessarily relevant or structured enough to list on my resume.
 
Do you suggest turning down any job offers that are for less than two-year contracts?

No, of course not. If you are a independent contractor, then you are in fact self-employed. Your resume should show that & then go into who your clients were & what kind of work you did.

I'm iffy on the unexplained gaps - I've got some gaps on my resume, where I was doing awesome stuff that I'll happily elaborate on in an interview, but which aren't necessarily relevant or structured enough to list on my resume.

As an employer, if I see somebody left a job in March 2010 & started the next job in November 2010 & I don't see that the gap is explained by being a student or a homemaker, I'm wondering if they spent that seven months sitting on a couch smoking a bong or if they have a disability. I get about a dozen applications a day so I have to weed allot out when I'm hiring.

Finding some way to explain gaps on your resume will help land interviews. For example, state that you left job A to have a baby or be a student or travel Europe. At the interview, you can explain gaps, but you have to get the interview to do that.
 
No, of course not. If you are a independent contractor, then you are in fact self-employed. Your resume should show that & then go into who your clients were & what kind of work you did.

Not an independent contractor; a lot of employers in my field/area offer fixed-term employment, your status is the same as a regular employee, but your position only exists for a predetermined amount of time.
 
Not an independent contractor; a lot of employers in my field/area offer fixed-term employment, your status is the same as a regular employee, but your position only exists for a predetermined amount of time.

You're probably fine with those gaps then. I've selected people to be interviewed who had worked such jobs. For example, one worked during the summer at a zoo, switched jobs, worked a summer at a zoo, etc. It was easy for me to deduct that the zoo job was seasonal & the short term was not a result of any shortcoming of the applicant. The same thing is common here with IRS employees. They are commonly laid off & then rehired later through no fault of their own.
 
Are you hiring mostly more entry level retail jobs?

The two I hired this week are, but I'm also trying to hire two managers & one or two highly trained specialists. I 1st try to fill management roles by promoting from within, but don't have promotable people ATM. If I don't find suitable applicants for the higher positions, I'm left hoping that I'll have somebody promotable in the near future. Even with millions on the unemployment line, good people are hard to find.

The background is that I recently caught an employee stealing, have a manager that's ready for a promotion, another manager that should have retired long ago, a few department specialists with horrible attendance records that I will probably terminate soon & am growing my staff a little to meet increased sales/workload. Not only are the people that I'm hiring getting much needed jobs, but they've got very real opportunity for quick advancement if they can merit it with their job performance.
 
The two I hired this week are, but I'm also trying to hire two managers & one or two highly trained specialists. I 1st try to fill management roles by promoting from within, but don't have promotable people ATM.
Ah, I was just curious. You and I are in the same industry, if I remember correctly. For all I know, one of the guys I hired may be visiting your store every week.

Even with millions on the unemployment line, good people are hard to find.
Yeah, this is exactly why people like me have a job :lol:. Finding a guy you can train and promote is a problem though...I imagine turnover is kinda high? I have to deal with the employee theft thing too. I feel like one out of every fifty people I bring on board either steals something student, or does something similarly dumb.
 
@Maimonides: Yeah, of course employers will prefer workers who stay in a job for a long time without complaining, leaving, and/or demanding large pay rises or promotions for their good work :p
 
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