The thing is the guillotine worked, in that there was a significant transfer of power and wealth from the elites to the third estate. Perhaps a Trump presidency would be more "elegant and graceful" than the terror, a good plumbing system and doing the executions behind closed doors really helps with that, but it will not involve the transfer of power and wealth from the elites to the proletariat of today and it may have a higher body count.
The 2024 US Presidential Election
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Lexicus
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Donald Trump is an elite and I have a grudge against him
EnglishEdward
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What is your grudge?
Ziggy Stardust
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keeping it real
I feel bad for the kid actually, imagine that's your dad and your whole life is trying to project an image
Close to one hundred percent of Trump's opposition is the righteous grudge the people have against the elites.
FTFY.
Seriously? You went there?
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For the photo, they probably had to go out and buy the toy cars. "Shouldn't Barron have some toys? Kids have toys, don't they?" "Yes, I think you're right. But don't get him toys that any ordinary kid would have. Get him a huge stuffed lion that he can be riding. And if you get him some toy cars, make sure they're limousines!"
Then, right after the photo: "Get that messy crap out here; it's cluttering up my tastefully decorated penthouse."
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He didn't like it when we talked about Trump using FDRs agricultural program to attempt to protect American industries from the backlash of a cut-throat conditionally-free-trading anti-labor global partner. He really hates the measurable outcomes reality behind privilege and senatorial representation. I'm going to guess personal problems with the orange man himself(he really is a rapist slug, but that's not like it narrows down political heroes) and abject hostility towards anything that doesn't directly benefit allied constituencies. This one seems very aware that if one ship is raised off the lake bottom, every other ship sinks in relative standing to it.
Lexicus
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Complete projection, all the way down. You never let "measurable outcome reality" get in the way of your vibes-based arguments ("Mitt Romney is less privileged than a poor black teen mom in DC because Utah has a lower median income!") and of course who could forget your rage at the idea of "Chicago public school teachers" being paid a living wage?
Besides the stuff you point out... another thing that strikes me about the photo is the frown on Barron's face and the distance between him and his parents... the photo screams "Go over there... way over there... away from us... and play with your fake toys that we got for this photo-shoot... we need to be able to crop you out later"
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You must be in the "big basket of deplorables" camp. Trump got over 74 million votes. You are pretty intelligent; I would think you would be curious to understand what it is about Trump that resonates with so many people. Other than just to conclude that so many people are just worthless.
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I keep waiting for a different response to statistics with significant results, but I don't think it's coming. We might not belive in the liberal arts?
Lord almighty, no wonder people busting ass around the world hate Americans.
Yes, your poor double/triple median income workers on a 9 month contract just 'living wage.' Woe be unto the downtrodden of the world.
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I do worry about that. I pray a lot about it.
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Lex will of course answer, since the question is directed toward him, but I want my own crack at this.
My grudge against Donald Trump and the particular form of elitism he embodies is that he holds, espouses and seeks to establish (indeed codify) the view that certain people--on the basis of race, material wealth and social standing--are inherently superior to others and therefore should be exempted from the constraints--particularly the moral and legal constraints--that bind those others.
At his (almost preternatural) insistence, our society is presently reeling to maintain several of the pillars on which it was founded: that all men are created equal, that we are a nation of laws not of men, and that no man is above the law.
Donald Trump wants not only to be above the law (a status his wealth has largely afforded him). That is not enough. He wants it established as a principle that he is above the law. This is an existential commitment for him. He will not rest until he can establish this or until the law does restrain him.
He raises and presses this matter on every occasion that is afforded to him:
- When they're a star they let you do it.
- I could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and I wouldn't lose any votes.
- Historically, that's true with stars . . . unfortunately or fortunately
- I am allowed to take classified documents.
- Michael Cohen can serve time for a particular crime, but myself as instigator and chief beneficiary of that crime should not have to.
- Other candidates for president are bound by the electoral vote but I am not to be.
And just in case we can't see the trendline, he decided to make it as absolutely stark and explicit as it is possible to be:
- A president has absolute immunity.
We can let him pull down the pillars, or we can give him the haircut our society gives to prisoners.
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Lexicus
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Yep. "A Chicago public school teacher wants your cookie"
He tried to get rid of the Constitution and install himself as a dictator. That's quite enough on its own.
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I added a bullet point. The mentality I was sketching more broadly is precisely that of a person who believes it should be he who dictates what the law is and whom it binds.
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I usually agree with you, Lex, when I argue that those who receive more from the economy should contribute back to those less fortunate but working hard, but lots of people agree with you here. Lots of them like those Trump corporate tax cuts, too. Can't say I'm going to follow you there. Yuck.
I know exactly what resonates.
Unfortunately people seem to take it as some kind of personal attack when listing some of the factors that are the objective basis for some of the resonance. Others are less objectionable, but the sticking point are what you'd probably call "slurs".
Popularity by itself is only a measure of popularity. It requires some level of nuance to extract good and bad outcomes from it. Nuance doesnt handle "camps" very well, but then again you consider the Democrats "left", so.
tl;dr: both good and bad things can be popular. The optics argument rears its head once more.
I'm going to give 10 million Trump voters a pass and then say 64 million Trump voters are one or more of the following: stupid; in the bottom half of the IQ scale; only watch FoxNews; only liten to conservative talk radio; are one issue voters (pro life or gun lovers); fascits, racist, hate change; hate democracy; or admire Trump as a person because of the way he thinks about women and other people.
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