2020 US Election (Part 3)

[Estebonrober]

I don't even know how to explain. Ask me when I'm hungover. Wait at leats... 16(hours, imperial)?

fair nuf

 

[GenMarshall]

I don't even know how to explain. Ask me when I'm hungover. Wait at leats... 16(hours, imperial)?

You need moar balloons!

 

[Angst]

Harris went in and made the major appeal to progressives, while Biden appealed to the moderates. Interesting speech, Biden's ambitions are probably not feasible with a Republican senate. Now let's see how the legaldumb proceeds.

 

[Sommerswerd]

I try to trust but verify and when I go to verify, the data doesn't always correlate the claim. You are fond of saying that just because someone is mad, doesn't make them wrong. Well, just because someone is scared, doesn't make them right.

From the time I got my driver's license until the time I went off to college. I was pulled over every month. Every single month. No ticket, no arrest, just pulled over. I won't bore you with the reasons (excuses) the police gave for pulling me over... but they didn't arrest me or give me a ticket... so I should be ... grateful?

 

[Sommerswerd]

You need moar balloons!

I watched the Russian Pooh Bear @Farm Boy and am now officially on the drunk train. I went with rum followed by 11% beer. I watched the speeches first.

"tut tut it looks like rain" that's certainly the pooh bear (piglet) that I remember.

 

[JPetroski]

From the time I got my driver's license until the time I went off to college. I was pulled over every month. Every single month. No ticket, no arrest, just pulled over. I won't bore you with the reasons (excuses) the police gave for pulling me over... but they didn't arrest me or give me a ticket... so I should be ... grateful?

Yet you're still here... Despite, apparently, having some... what... 24 to 36 instances where some folks would have you believe you wouldn't be? Not saying you believe that, but the way some carry on...

I dont doubt that some people are awful to you and that sucks. I'm just saying it's still possible that some of the stuff people fear isn't really that rational.

 

[Takhisis]

Of course it's irrational. Despite having survived all those attempts at befriending the police had, Sommerswerd had to reassure his children in 2016 that he'd look after them and not leave them in the lurch in the face of the even more loving DJT.

 

[Estebonrober]

Yet you're still here... Despite, apparently, having some... what... 24 to 36 instances where some folks would have you believe you wouldn't be? Not saying you believe that, but the way some carry on...

I dont doubt that some people are awful to you and that sucks. I'm just saying it's still possible that some of the stuff people fear isn't really that rational.

police doing racial profiling isn't on the same page as some of these other fears. people being discriminated against for jobs and education isn't either.

 

[JPetroski]

This whole string resulted from a claim that there is "no exaggeration" ever made in claims that someone is in real danger. If someone wants to recalibrate the conversation by giving examples of being poorly treated, they're going to have to find someone else to argue with, because I'm not, and was not, disputing that

 

[El_Machinae]

There's a large difference between perceived danger and actual danger, that's for sure. But, perceived danger can do damage in two ways: one is over-reacting to your detriment and the other is under-reacting (to your detriment, again). If we could help people be more rational in their fears, that would certainly help. But if you want people to under-react, there needs to be a secondary mechanism by which they're rewarded for doing so. And, if you've convinced them to under-react, it's also important to put yourself in harm's way just so they're not the only ones bearing 100% of the burden.

 

[Farm Boy]

"tut tut it looks like rain" that's certainly the pooh bear (piglet) that I remember.

Lord Almighty, I love you.

Now we just need to convince the "bees" about the "honey."

I don't think I'm a convincing rain cloud around here, for one.

Advanced level, who wanted his tail back!

 

[Sommerswerd]

Yet you're still here... Despite, apparently, having some... what... 24 to 36 instances where some folks would have you believe you wouldn't be? Not saying you believe that, but the way some carry on...

I dont doubt that some people are awful to you and that sucks. I'm just saying it's still possible that some of the stuff people fear isn't really that rationale.

I'm still here. I've got relatives and friends who aren't as lucky. The last time I got pulled over, I was speeding in a state (OH) that didn't match my plates (MA)... so I deserved to be pulled over and I paid the ticket. I had a full SUV of family, kids and relatives and I got a ticket, fine... but also a "stay out of trouble"... WTH is that about? Other than... frankly, racism. Have you ever been told by the police to "stay out of trouble"? I've been told that at least half the times as you correctly identify 24 to 36 times ... that I should "stay out of trouble." Have you been told by police 12 to 18 times to "stay out of trouble"? I have, at a minimum. Tell me how many times the police have pulled you over only to tell you to "stay out of trouble." How many times have you stared down the barrel of a police officer's gun? Again, all rhetorical... at least to you, but for me, I have experienced that IRL.

I don't want you or your children to feel any of those feelings or have any of those experiences. I want us all to take this election as an opportunity to move towards a country where my countrymen all feel like the government is looking out for all of us. And I am willing to believe what our President-Elect says... that we can all do it... together. I don't care if it sounds corny.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Lord Almighty, I love you.

Now we just need to convince the "bees" about the "honey."

I don't think I'm a convincing rain cloud around here, for one.

Advanced level, who wanted his tail back!

I'm not answering this here, its too embarrassing ... check PMs

 

[Lexicus]

Being angry and being scared are both feelings, so if it's a bad correlation it's bad for other reasons. I think you probably meant to say something else and I didn't follow. Anyway, here's something I wrote to a friend about why I feel the media can barely be trusted, but it's also demonstrative of the point of exaggeration I'm trying to make. Also, it's a fairly benign example to focus on so we don't blow up the thread (kind of sad that I'd call this benign, but you know what I mean - as compared to some other topics of threat).



Essentially, the media had people terrified that they'd leave their kids in a hot car and kill them even though it almost never happens. The threat was completely exaggerated, yet it dominated the news cycle that year, and people all over the place were taking corrective measures, like driving to work without a shoe on (so you'd have to remember to check your car seat) to correct for it. Billboards were erected, "check for baby" bumper stickers went up, windows were smashed (mostly to "save" dogs), etc. Somewhat of a chaotic summer, you might say. Well, at least as far as Pre-Trump goes. But again, an exaggerated threat.

Me running around that summer doing all of these things fearfully and spending a lot of time talking about the situation would not change the fact that it really wasn't as big of a situation as I was making it out to be. Sometimes, it just doesn't add up.

Yeah there aren't really that many kids in concentration camps, now I think about it...guess you're right, it's all no big deal...

 

[Sommerswerd]

Advanced level, who wanted his tail back!

That's new! Well of course that's Eeyore, and Christopher Robin had to nail it back on (WTH?) and smashed his finger in the process. The best part is that the Russian Pooh balloon story is a mixture of that story and another

 

[Joij21]

No, it's a real phrase. You just don't like it.

It's a phrase that only exists because of Trump. I don't remember the term being used before Trump made his statement about Charlottesville "having bad people on both sides". So therefore I tend to believe the term only exists as a reactionary push back from the left against his statement. Also it tends to be used by those exclusively from the left.

Before Trump said this however, people on the left used to make both sides arguments all the time, but because Trump made one in bad taste now using a both sides argument is considered blasphemy.

A real shame though. It's like if Hitler loved pizza, are we now supposed to vilify and discredit those who like it as well?

 

[GenMarshall]

A real shame though. It's like if Hitler loved pizza, are we now supposed to vilify and discredit those who like it as well?

Hitler ate sugar!

(Warning, Clicking on the link will ruin your life )

 

[Gorbles]

@Joij21 - nah, the phrase existed before Trump.

This whole string resulted from a claim that there is "no exaggeration" ever made in claims that someone is in real danger. If someone wants to recalibrate the conversation by giving examples of being poorly treated, they're going to have to find someone else to argue with, because I'm not, and was not, disputing that

Ah, you misread me. I didn't say "ever". I said "some people face very real, not exaggerated threats" (literal quote, you can go back and check).

I didn't make any unilateral claim, which seems to what you're suggesting here, which would indeed be a problem.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

 

[Takhisis]

I am completely unsurprised that the presidents of Mexico and Brazil have so far not commented on Biden's victory.
Both are rich men who deny environmentalism, deny coronavirus and just straight-up go against their countries' indigenous pre-Columbian populations. They also have both bowed down to US interests to humiliating levels.

Never forget.