2020 US Election (Part 3)

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The government intentionally awarding indigenous holy sites to mining companies that have a past of destroying such sites is not ‘free’. That's the state dispossessing some in favour of others.

It's just that when the government intervenes in favour of the rich and powerful it's called something else. By definition everything the government does is intervention.

That's a lack of regulation.

Fascists states intervene a lot more than free market capitalist.

They would direct what some companies could produce and/or use government money for contracts.

Usually heavy industry and other war related areas.
 
There is an element of picking favorite winners, and that is best viewed on the spectrum in the US. Every country will support private businesses for strategic or political reasons, and the size of that business matters as to whether you'll get preferential treatment
 
The government intentionally awarding indigenous holy sites to mining companies that have a past of destroying such sites is not ‘free’. That's the state dispossessing some in favour of others.

It's just that when the government intervenes in favour of the rich and powerful it's called something else. By definition everything the government does is intervention.

It's not really Fascistic-style economic intervention when it's the Plutocrats bribing and fiscally coercing the elected officials and candidates for election (of BOTH major parties) to kowtow to their will. It's kind of the direct reverse, but the corporate giants are calling the shots to the Government, and not vice versa.

There is an element of picking favorite winners, and that is best viewed on the spectrum in the US. Every country will support private businesses for strategic or political reasons, and the size of that business matters as to whether you'll get preferential treatment

That there are billionaire plutocrats with untrustworthy and insidious agendas bribing and pressuring (and even coercing) underhanded officials and candidates for results regardless of the will of the politicians' constituents for BOTH major parties. Whereas the Republicans have the remaining Koch Brother, Haliburton, the Texas oil giants, the Chick-Fil-A proprietary family, etc., the Democrats have George Soros, Warren Buffet, Oprah Winfrey, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, etc. Either way, big money needs to have it's disproportionate hegemony removed from the political process, and bribery, corruption, and graft (which is what it is) need to be made enforceable as crimes, with plutocrats, candidates, and sitting officials - all the way up to the U.S. President - able to have very real indictments and criminal consequences levied against them for a gross and intolerable violation of the public trust.
 
It's not really Fascistic-style economic intervention when it's the Plutocrats bribing and fiscally coercing the elected officials and candidates for election (of BOTH major parties) to kowtow to their will. It's kind of the direct reverse, but the corporate giants are calling the shots to the Government, and not vice versa.



That there are billionaire plutocrats with untrustworthy and insidious agendas bribing and pressuring (and even coercing) underhanded officials and candidates for results regardless of the will of the politicians' constituents for BOTH major parties. Whereas the Republicans have the remaining Koch Brother, Haliburton, the Texas oil giants, the Chick-Fil-A proprietary family, etc., the Democrats have George Soros, Warren Buffet, Oprah Winfrey, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, etc. Either way, big money needs to have it's disproportionate hegemony removed from the political process, and bribery, corruption, and graft (which is what it is) need to be made enforceable as crimes, with plutocrats, candidates, and sitting officials - all the way up to the U.S. President - able to have very real indictments and criminal consequences levied against them for a gross and intolerable violation of the public trust.

We're not talking about the system but the fascist economy is more a command economy than the US system or whatever.

Germany and Italy both had problems similar to the Soviets in some ways namely access to food and consumer goods.

You could compare say rationing say USSR to Germany vs UK vs USA/NZ.

In the war years you could still buy butter and petrol in USA/NZ hard to get in UK and even harder in USSR/Germany.

It's because the government put more focus on heavy industry. In Germany's case it was also what they could pillage
 
@onejayhawk @abradley @Berzerker 170,000 new case a day; 1,700 dying every day; Trump is certainly making America #1. Who knew it would be so easy! So much winning! A new 9-11 every two days. It is good to know that Trump is working hard watching TV, playing golf and tweeting about winning the election.
 
What did Joe Biden and the Democrats do to stem the spread of covid? Well, they invited us to Chinatown, called travel restrictions xenophobic fear mongering, and sent infected old people back into nursing homes and blamed it all on Trump
 
What did Joe Biden and the Democrats do to stem the spread of covid? Well, they invited us to Chinatown, called travel restrictions xenophobic fear mongering, and sent infected old people back into nursing homes and blamed it all on Trump
More deflection on your part as usual. Trump is POTUS and has been all year. He has money, power and a bully pulpit. If he told his base to to wear masks they likely would. Instead he lied about the virus and said there was nothing to worry about and it would just go away. Even today he told people to gather, at home and in church, and celebrate. Trump could have told the Republican governors to support masks and social distancing. He didn't. Trump held super spreader rallies and events to spread the virus as he basked in his glorious praise.

Whatever anyone else could have done since Feb., Trump could have done more of it and done it better. He chose not to. Your ongoing efforts to blame anyone but Trump for all the death and economic destruction is pathetic. You keep going back to what folks said and did in Jan and Feb as if today was March 1. Well it is not. We are ten months into this and every week since March we have learned more and more about what we should be doing. Trump's call to block Chinese entry was a good half step. But since then he has done nothing but encourage more illness and more deaths.
 
What did Joe Biden and the Democrats do to stem the spread of covid? Well, they invited us to Chinatown, called travel restrictions xenophobic fear mongering, and sent infected old people back into nursing homes and blamed it all on Trump

So....

Point #1: Banning a single country or area of countries, ala China or Muslim nations is xenophobic...

Point #2: President-Elect Biden hasn't been in government in 4 years.

Point #3: If the intent of the ban on China was to actually stem the tide of the virus, one would have put in place strict quarantine orders on those American nationals who were returning from said country. Simply banning foreign nationals literally does nothing.

Point #4: The nursing home story is bogus, they were recovering patients and there was a need for hospital bed space. Second, the DOJ is targeting democratic-led states. The entire story reeks of utilizing federal departments to investigate your political enemies, for shame on AG Barr, for shame on any career DOJ personnel who take part in this farce, for shame on the President for allowing such a blatant attack on our democratic norms.

Point #5: Quite literally, the President has actively caused the spread of Covid to spiral out of control. He has violated his oath of office by his inaction and by his constant attack on medical professionals.

Point #6: Americans are dying and the President is golfing, actively putting his protective detail and all those who are responsible for his safety to include military personnel at risk.

Point #7: He has failed in every measure of the job!
 
"Invited us to Chinatown" - are we referring to the time period where people were panicking too hard and disproportionately damaging specific communities? Nearly every politician at the time was talking about not giving up being a customer in those communities. Why, because the disease was all just hypothetical at that point. Late February, the administration was calling the virus contained*, asking people to not panic boycott at the time was reasonable

(*wasn't contained. Americans spread it to British Columbia shortly after this announcement by Trump officials).

The fact that Masschusets, Mississippi, and North Dakota have all lost more than 1 people in a thousand to covid shows that it cannot be entirely blamed on 'democrats'. And the fact that California's death rate is 1/3 that of Mississippi might indicate that Pelosi's 'Chinatown' invitation didn't cause the damage that people are pretending it did.

I won't comment on the old folks home. I've been on these boards advocating more effort regarding how we deal with aging for some time now, and I think this mismanagement just further proves my point.
 
Joe Biden wasn't in power to do anything. But I guess that's cool that you don't even need to wait until 2021 to start blaming him for Trump's mess :lol:

Vaccines should be here by the time he enters office, but Biden did have the power to take positions and influence policy responses from his party. So he condemned Trump's travel restrictions and endorsed Fauci. That tells me he would have been slower to respond with restrictions and he would have followed Fauci's advice to downplay the bug and masks. Not a whole lot of difference from Trump.

More deflection on your part as usual. Trump is POTUS and has been all year. He has money, power and a bully pulpit. If he told his base to to wear masks they likely would. Instead he lied about the virus and said there was nothing to worry about and it would just go away. Even today he told people to gather, at home and in church, and celebrate. Trump could have told the Republican governors to support masks and social distancing. He didn't. Trump held super spreader rallies and events to spread the virus as he basked in his glorious praise.

Whatever anyone else could have done since Feb., Trump could have done more of it and done it better. He chose not to. Your ongoing efforts to blame anyone but Trump for all the death and economic destruction is pathetic. You keep going back to what folks said and did in Jan and Feb as if today was March 1. Well it is not. We are ten months into this and every week since March we have learned more and more about what we should be doing. Trump's call to block Chinese entry was a good half step. But since then he has done nothing but encourage more illness and more deaths.

Talk about deflection, you didn't answer my question. What did Joe Biden and the Democrats do to stem the spread of covid? You blamed every covid death on Trump and I said other people share in the blame, now you're accusing me of holding Trump blameless. Thats moving the goalposts, I dont have to show he's blameless, just that he's not alone. I've done that. Its your job to show the people I Identify dont have any blame and you've ignored them.

How did Biden and the Democrats respond to that good half step? Condemnation. So why again am I supposed to believe they knew what to do about covid? Jackson Browne got covid during a concert in NYC in mid March just about the time Fauci and the experts told Trump to escalate the federal response and it was late March when Cuomo mandated nursing homes take infected people. Trump had his rallies and Democrats had their protests, mass gatherings for me but not for thee.
 
So....

Point #1: Banning a single country or area of countries, ala China or Muslim nations is xenophobic...

Point #2: President-Elect Biden hasn't been in government in 4 years.

Point #3: If the intent of the ban on China was to actually stem the tide of the virus, one would have put in place strict quarantine orders on those American nationals who were returning from said country. Simply banning foreign nationals literally does nothing.

Point #4: The nursing home story is bogus, they were recovering patients and there was a need for hospital bed space. Second, the DOJ is targeting democratic-led states. The entire story reeks of utilizing federal departments to investigate your political enemies, for shame on AG Barr, for shame on any career DOJ personnel who take part in this farce, for shame on the President for allowing such a blatant attack on our democratic norms.

Point #5: Quite literally, the President has actively caused the spread of Covid to spiral out of control. He has violated his oath of office by his inaction and by his constant attack on medical professionals.

Point #6: Americans are dying and the President is golfing, actively putting his protective detail and all those who are responsible for his safety to include military personnel at risk.

Point #7: He has failed in every measure of the job!

1) Does that mean Biden wouldn't have restricted travel?
2) Therefore we have to rely on what Biden said, he didn't endorse the restrictions until early April
3) I'm not familiar with the process, just Biden's response
4) https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/01/politics/andrew-cuomo-nursing-homes-fact-check/index.html
5) The medical professionals downplayed masks
6) They'd be guarding him no matter what he was doing
7) What did Joe Biden and the Democrats do to stem the spread of covid?
 
What did Joe Biden and the Democrats do to stem the spread of covid? Well, they invited us to Chinatown, called travel restrictions xenophobic fear mongering, and sent infected old people back into nursing homes and blamed it all on Trump

Still peddling debunk BS
While excusing trump BS

Just inject disinfectant /s
 
"Invited us to Chinatown" - are we referring to the time period where people were panicking too hard and disproportionately damaging specific communities? Nearly every politician at the time was talking about not giving up being a customer in those communities. Why, because the disease was all just hypothetical at that point. Late February, the administration was calling the virus contained*, asking people to not panic boycott at the time was reasonable

(*wasn't contained. Americans spread it to British Columbia shortly after this announcement by Trump officials).

The fact that Masschusets, Mississippi, and North Dakota have all lost more than 1 people in a thousand to covid shows that it cannot be entirely blamed on 'democrats'. And the fact that California's death rate is 1/3 that of Mississippi might indicate that Pelosi's 'Chinatown' invitation didn't cause the damage that people are pretending it did.

I won't comment on the old folks home. I've been on these boards advocating more effort regarding how we deal with aging for some time now, and I think this mismanagement just further proves my point.

We're debating if it should be entirely blamed on Trump, not Democrats. The Chinatown comment shows others share the blame, not because her invitation was a super spreader event but because it embodies how both parties - at the behest of the medical community - were downplaying the situation.

Still peddling debunk BS
While excusing trump BS

Just inject disinfectant /s

Debunked by whom?
 
Apparently bozo Berz thinks that Biden was in charge of this country when COVID started and blames him for not stopping COVID! :lol: He's totally right, Biden the private citizen could have marshaled the federal government even without holding elected office. It's not like Trump could have done anything more, he was just the president, what power did he have? :lol:

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If at this point you're rehashing how the opposition reacted to the very preliminary stages of the pandemic, a time when nobody knew much and when really not much had happened yet, in a time probably 300,000 US deaths ago, you're a complete shameless hack, plain and simple.
 
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No it's not, that's the government specifically regulating something.

As I've said, BOTH major parties are corruptly favouring their own plutocratic allies in a betrayal of the trust. And this particular problem in governance is an aspect of Kleptocracy, not Fascism.
 
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